-DEVIL'S ADVOCATE-???.....

DEVIL'S ADVOCATE means that I am writing about a subject that I am taking a point of view that is argumentative, not what I personlly believe...

Most of the posts that I see concerning being forceable being given antipsychotic meds and or being held against your will in a hospital etc. etc. etc... These comments are not winning over people to your side of this injustice, YOU seem to be reinforcing what people think of you, out of control nut jobs....

Ps, please do not curse me out for the above, I am looking for discussion of alternative ways of letting the public know of the total injustice of the mental health system and society etc...

I know , the problem is everyone assumes "you were in a psych hospital you must have been nuts", I get it.

How do I explain I would never ever have been anywhere near a damb psych hospital If I didn't fall for the low serotonin scam and start psychiatry's gateway drugs the anti depressants ? I had no idea what I was getting into, not a clue, but before long I'm "ADD" and "bipolar" taking the max doses of the SSRI remeron , Adderal/dexadrine, Clonopin, and evil Zyprexa samples those crooks at e-lilly hand out. I did all the med changes and all that med guinna pig crap along the way as well.

All that crap gave me an anxiety/panic disorder I didn't have before. It was drug addiction cause without that boatload of pills I would feel like I was going nuts with anxiety, sleep/waking up was impossible without a pill .

Then in the end all those psych SOBs blame me, my "addiction" and "substance abuse disorder", its there there built in blame the victim fallback. Psych pharma takes no responsibility at all for anyone they hurt with there multi billion dollar "disease model" drugging scam.

The human rights abuse by inpatient psychiatry is only part of this, all the addiction and drug dependence the psycho pharma industry inflicts with there biopsychiatry "disease model" lies on unsuspecting people should be exposed.

They know all there drugs cause dependence and horrible withdrawal reactions but those fraudsters get away with not warning anyone, they just tell people "ask you doctor before stopping this medication..." Great idea ask the doctor who never even told you about withdrawal reactions from pharmas "non addictive" drugs. WTF its non addictive cause it doesn't produce a high ? Bullsh^t taking any pills to avoid withdrawals is drug addiction.

Why is there no official information online or anywhere about psychiatric drug withdrawal from the industry ? Because they are dirty heartless criminals who don't give a crap about anyones health and well being .

One good way to argue the anti psychiatry issue is to show the root causes of problems in society like working parents not being able to nurture their children due to stressors, or the effects of PTSD. Route people over to Dr. Gabor Nate, for example, and he can tell you more about the roots of the behaviors we see in the label of ADD and ADHD. Nate was born in 1944 in Budapest Hungary. He is Jewish. He notes that psychologists have said that most Jewish babies of that time cried alot; they knew something was wrong instinctivley. He theorizes that ADHD and Autism and other labels occur because children draw off of the energies and stresses of their parents.

Use historical data: Talk about the Isane Asylums of old and the old ways to deal with various types of madness or difference. Note the cruelties in the Middle Ages, the Industrial age and the Nazis. Mention Eugenics.

Discuss "dreaptomania" during the Civil War and how the Soviet Union used "diagnoses" for the use of containment and social control.

ALSO DISCUSS the nature of iatrocapitalism. Don't attack directly-but show how companies try to make money off of the "problem-solution" paradigm and mention the NEstle' was selling formula in countries that were poor and that had dirty, unhygenic water. The natural way of using breast feeding was the only way to get babies a healthy start and Nestle nearly ruined that. Stuff like this is what opens people's eyes.

Compare the uses of these cruelities with the way that Islamists back in the day (like right before the Moors came to Spain?) were enlightened enough to use a certain type of lifestyle or how people in lesser developed countries are more relaxed and people with issues have more personal space to exist.

Stress nutrition and alternative medicines.

Stress lifestyle changes.

Stress or highlight stress itself and the way that it hurts people in society. Talk about diabetes and heart problems. Show how the human body is connected-The body is connected to the mind.

Talk about human rights.

Nami-people:

With a calm way and a diplomatic bearing, talk gently about how the pharmeceutical companies take advantage of hapless people. Start with generalities about how pharma sells bad product for profit. Go from these other medical conditions and go into how this translates into mental health.

Go into personal experience about ogranizational politics.

Maybe you could talk about how laws are influenced by NAMI as a lobbyist organization. Discuss how neighborhood organizations show how social reform helps mental health, even something as basic as Boys and Girls Clubs.



Use personal testimonies of empowerment. You cannot shock people who are so heavily brainwashed. Educate. Use a gradual approach that will make them more aware. A Native American, for example, might take a white to a cultural event first, then show them an advocational meeting and then maybe take them to the Rez to see how life really is......in other words........a gradual education and awakening. Those who are oppressed or who are part of the oppressive machine cannot always see what is going on on the other side.

That is what is hard--a person who has been totally bombed out of existence will see more of the evils of a system than a person who has never been victimized, just like a Jewish person from the Holocaust might see laws in Congress as dangerous when a regular US citizen might not, not because the American is bad, no..but because the Jewish person from the Holocaust was an actual witness, much like a veteran from Vietnam might know how fickle the US Government is as opposed to a person born later or who wasn't there at Vietnam. You can tell how it was for you, but you have to know that others might not know--Educate. Educate. Educate.

Stress freedom of choice-Make sure that you don't entirely obliterate the use of medications for people who need them, but stress healing, and that normally gets their goat, as it were. If you stress societal problems, eugenics, human rights issues and personal experiences (in a way that is educational, not extreme) then they will be forced to listen and to think
-- Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:56 pm --

Good luck!

its very ignorant to argue just to argue. People have actually been awarded millions for unjustified committals. So, to say you have to be nuts to get caught up in this stuff is just stupid. Gangs, secret society organizations, all that trash sees clearly that the mental health field is a great place to hide because this stuff is not built off of facts.

I wasn't arguing just to argue. I was shaing what I had seen on other websites concerning anti psychiatry.

In any case, if you are speaking of the author, perhaps encouragement and direction in the area of advocacy on this subject might tend to assist them in their journey.

One catches more bees with honey than with vinegar.

And neither I nor my post is ignorant.

devil's advocate is usually someone arguing just to argue. Let me give a different opinion or view is all someone trying to play devil's advocate is doing. This whole psychiatry game is too serious to play devil's advocate. When you catch a psychiatrist in a lie and prove they are wrong that is what they do argue just for the sake of opposing you. The difference is they win because society is made up of a bunch of cowards that have given people like doctors too much power and control

Everybody so far seems to prove my point, YOU are unable to come up with an argument and or point of view that the average person can understand and take up your cause of injustice....

KINDNESSTHERAPY wrote:Everybody so far seems to prove my point, YOU are unable to come up with an argument and or point of view that the average person can understand and take up your cause of injustice....

Your whole argument is beyond stupid and is not positive in anyway. The burden to prove something should not be on the person that is having there rights violated it should be on the person doing the violating to prove that it is necessary. Once again, the devils advocate approach is one that garners negativity rightfully so. Go read about any of the people that have won these cases after being committed in a unjustified manner if you want to find people that made points. Anyone that has the facts on there side can win this stuff. I have yet to even get all of my records, once I do and destroy these people one by one I will come back here and post about it and you will see just how worthless this thread is.

In a past post I said YOUR opinions are dangerous and you continue to prove my point, have a good day....

In your first post kindnesstherapy, you said you were merely playing devil's advocate, offering a commonplace line of reasoning that smacks of victim-blaming (and I will show why later) as a mere springboard for further discussion. Maybe you were saying this to abrogate responsibility for an opinion that is in fact your own, because in your replies you seem to openly espouse that opinion.