Police trained in 'mental health' strategies

ANyeon have any experiences with the police good or bad re mental health experiences.
Do u think they are trained in an adequate way?

My experience with the police is that the way the talk to ppl allegedly with mi is that this is ignoring them, not speaking as little as possible to them, did not see any kindness or compassion. Just as little communication as possible.

One of the most horrific times of my life was when iw as a t a refuge and the mh teak rang the police and they took my daughter out of my arms and I asked to say goodbye to her, I was in a totally lucid state , sound of mine, and they iddnt even bother to answer just grabbed her outta my arms and said "come on now, come with us" and no conversation for the whole ride to the hospital.
Must add, these actions would not have taken place had my abusive mother not rang the refuge and told them I needed to go to hospital.
I also foiund in the refuge the day they wanted to police to come, they didn't even warn me, I had not been acting out/being violent or anything and the staff had trying to keep their distance from me, I turned towards a staff member while waiting for the police(which I thought was the mh team coming back to talk to me) and the staff member practically jumped outta their seats if I made a sudden movement. They seemed paranoid or scared that I would become violent ( so hurtful as I am against violence and have been thru trauma) very insulting to me. They quietly said ot another staff member, I think we should keep her in the lunch room and block off all the exits! jeez, like I was tyring to escape or something. They defianelty had been spending time buying into the media image of ppl with diagnosis. It was a strange and overwhelming experience which I wont forget, especaily the way their attitutes changed once htye received a all from my abusive mother...

what r other ppls experiences with the police, supposedly trained in mh procedures?

This is a great question. I don't know if the police I have had to deal with were specifically trained in mental health strategies or not. I have had a few rides in a police car for transportation to the state hospital for involuntary admissions. In my state the police must transfer you to the hospital if you are involuntarily admitted. Handcuffed and everything! I'm surprised I haven't brought this up from an anti-psych point of view before as just writing that someone must be handcuffed to go to the hospital sounds terrible!

In addition, I have also had almost the entire police force in my town show up at my house after I walked out of a therapy appointment and was not too well. They had to bring me to the ER for evaluation. It was definitely overwhelming to have so many police force members basically surround me in my parking lot. My neighbors still talk about it from time to time, though thankfully they don't know it was me they were picking up.

In my experiences, I would agree with your summation that police members speak as little as possible to the person that they are picking up or transporting. Perhaps it is more for their own protection? Even when I've been pulled over while driving, the police members do not talk too much.

Check out this writing on the "baker act"

If you are Baker Acted, you can be detained, searched and your name run through the court and legal system electronically. The police will come to wherever you are, and insist that you immediately stop doing whatever you are doing at that moment, in order to be handcuffed, stuffed into the back of a police cruiser and delivered like an escaped felon into institutionalization. Once you are under psych lock down, the cops job with you is done.

If you refuse to come willingly, you can and will be threatened with violence. And depending on your reaction to that, they may, if you are lucky, only taze you. If you are unlucky, they may taze and beat and or choke/arm lock/wrist lock you and pepper spray you into submission.

With your mood now set properly for an accurate mental health assessment, completely outraged and trembling with indignation and possibly, even probably, crying, you now get your ride to the psych hospital—a ‘Baker Act Receiving Facility’. Your tears will probably stop by the time you get there, to be replaced with rage and anxiety of what is to come. Upon your arrival and intake the psych nurses are going to take one quick look at you and take in your agitation and irritation and they will make notes about you and you will be considered to be manic or having a manic episode.

The standard treatment for a person experiencing mania is ...

Read more http://intentions.wordpress.com/2010/12/13/the-baker-act-explained/

Here is what I have to say about this:

The police usually will ask you "would you rather goto jail ?" The very last time this happened to me I said "yes I would" and spent the night in the drunk tank and left with no charges the next day. This is embarrassing for me be to writing about experiences like this but that was back when I was still screwing around with psychiatry's "meds" that were messing up my emotions and judgment in the usual way. The police think "would you rather goto jail" is a valid threat but in jail you have the right to due process of law and are not subject to drug experiments and/or forced drugging-drug rapes by psychiatry. There is no enduring the unknown period of detention without the ability to post bond or hear the evidence against you like with psychiatric imprisonment.

This brings me to my next quote and link, the psychiatric Iiving wiII,

I refuse contact with and treatment by any psychiatrist, psychologist or other mental health practitioner as these practices, according to my philosophic and/or religious convictions, do not adequately or properly diagnose and such diagnoses can constitute a false accusation about my behavior and/or beliefs and practices, and are stigmatizing and therefore a threat to one's reputation and physical and mental well-being. Any of their treatments, given against my expressed wish, are an intrusion upon and thus an assault on my body and constitute, in my view, criminal assault. Any involuntary hospitalization or commitment is a violation of my right to liberty and would therefore constitute a false imprisonment by all those advocating and authorizing such action, against my consent and wishes. If in the future, I am accused of a crime, then I direct that I be subject to due process accorded to the criminally accused and not subjected to psychiatric or psychological assessment, processing, profile, confinement or treatments.

Read more http://www.politicalwatchdog.com/livingwill.html version II http://www.cchrint.org/psychiatric-living-will/

When are the so called "advocates" like the pharma industry front group NAMI going to figure out the problem is human rights violations by psychiatry that are causing people to resist treatment and not the lack of rights for people accused of mental illness ? People with suicidal thinking and other problems should not fear going to the hospital because of what happened last time or the first time they did so and were treated like a sub human or a criminal .

I have been very very lucky. Very lucky.

One time, I was going to my sister's house and there was a black car that was going very fast on this curvy road. I was slightly disassociated. My then teenage daughter had wanted to go somewhere and I wasn't feeling good but I went anyway. So, we were going back to my sister's where my teen daughter lived and I thought that the man was trying to run me off the road. It turned out to be a cop. The car was unmarked.

The cop was insulting and he asked me if I had a history of using illegal drugs. He asked me twice. I gave him my license. My sister came down the driveway and stood quietly. He checked my license and a look of incredulity came accross his face. The cop then asked me if I was on any prescription drugs and if I was mentally ill. He let me off with a warning. My husband said that the cop didn't do anything because my sister was observing, but I don't know.


Sometimes, I am afraid of going to church on Sunday mornings when my husband is at work because I am afraid of this very thing happening to me-what you described. My daughter is now 20 and is independent, but I have a young son and I am always afraid of being gotten by the cops because I know how they can be.

Were it me, I'd have a lawsuit. I'm very sorry that this happened to you.

Hugs, C68

Copy_Cat wrote:psychiatric Iiving wiII

I just want to point out that not all states recognize a psychiatric living will at this point in time. Hopefully more will in the future.

none of the pigs are well trained. That includes doctors, lawyers, nurses, law enforcement, judges, etc.