MENTAL ILLNESS IS TOO COMPLEX...

1013 victim wrote:
There are no facts to justify any of this stuff. They are simply giving names to behaviors and trying to alter behaviors and thoughts. There are plenty of others ways to do that which don't include drugging and group talks. My point remains this stuff is not needed. If you want to smoke some weed, snort some cocaine, or whatever to feel like tackling the world go do it, it is all less harmful than what these people do to you. The whole thing about support services I disagree with also. I know people that are on disability now, they get monthly checks and drugs that they don't need which they in turn sell on the black market, to them they are hustling a system that is in there business unnecessarily. You don't need the government to be your support service, or big pharm to be your support service, because while they are giving you free housing, a monthly check, etc. they are also using you as a guinea pig for there drugs and other degrading practices.

Sounds asinine at first but when the entire picture falls into reality I have to agree. And in general I agree with what you wrote. Ive seen the selling the pills on the black market personally. Stupid, the system should focus more on rehabilitation into a job, not remaining on welfare. Im not looking down on those who really do need it, but some can do better with rehabilitation rather than welfare.

1013 victim wrote:They cant cure down syndrome. Matter of fact, they can't help any of the people that are special needs or mentally retarded. That is the most telling of facts against this stuff.

Perhaps the issue here is that you are looking at "cure" as

To eliminate (a disease, condition, or injury) with medical treatment.

We could use another definition of "cure" to mean

To relieve (a person or animal) of the symptoms of a disease or condition.

Perhaps I may not be "cured" of having the diagnosis and issues related to bipolar disorder, but perhaps I have learned how to manage them to a point where they are no longer causing me extreme distress and an inability to function in every day life.

Cheze2 wrote:

1013 victim wrote:They cant cure down syndrome. Matter of fact, they can't help any of the people that are special needs or mentally retarded. That is the most telling of facts against this stuff.

Perhaps the issue here is that you are looking at "cure" as

To eliminate (a disease, condition, or injury) with medical treatment.

We could use another definition of "cure" to mean

To relieve (a person or animal) of the symptoms of a disease or condition.

Perhaps I may not be "cured" of having the diagnosis and issues related to bipolar disorder, but perhaps I have learned how to manage them to a point where they are no longer causing me extreme distress and an inability to function in every day life.

If something is causing you to not be able to function in every day life maybe you need some help, but I don't think anything is causing you to not be able to eat,sleep, and release bodily functions. Those are the only things you need to do to function. That help can be simple sleeping pills.

1013 victim wrote:I don't think anything is causing you to not be able to eat,sleep, and release bodily functions. Those are the only things you need to do to function. That help can be simple sleeping pills.

I would disagree that the only things you need to do are eat, sleep and release bodily functions.

People need to know how to prepare food for them to eat, how to clean up the bathroom once they do use it, as well as the kitchen after cooking the food they need to eat. Doing your laundry and taking a shower is helpful, though I can understand how you could identify this as not "necessary".

Also if we look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs:

People need a lot more than just the very lowest of that triangle.

Cheze2 wrote:

1013 victim wrote:I don't think anything is causing you to not be able to eat,sleep, and release bodily functions. Those are the only things you need to do to function. That help can be simple sleeping pills.

I would disagree that the only things you need to do are eat, sleep and release bodily functions.

People need to know how to prepare food for them to eat, how to clean up the bathroom once they do use it, as well as the kitchen after cooking the food they need to eat. Doing your laundry and taking a shower is helpful, though I can understand how you could identify this as not "necessary".

Also if we look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs:

People need a lot more than just the very lowest of that triangle.

Aint none of that stuff you just posted from Maslow needed. Just another person trying to make there opinion into facts that Maslow mess.

I know I would personally be miserable if all I had in my life to look forward to was to stuff my face, sleep, and go to the bathroom. I am sure that I am not alone in that.

Plus, you did not respond to my other points.

1013 victim wrote:People need to know how to prepare food for them to eat, how to clean up the bathroom once they do use it, as well as the kitchen after cooking the food they need to eat. Doing your laundry and taking a shower is helpful, though I can understand how you could identify this as not "necessary".

Cheze2 wrote:I know I would personally be miserable if all I had in my life to look forward to was to stuff my face, sleep, and go to the bathroom. I am sure that I am not alone in that.

Plus, you did not respond to my other points.

1013 victim wrote:People need to know how to prepare food for them to eat, how to clean up the bathroom once they do use it, as well as the kitchen after cooking the food they need to eat. Doing your laundry and taking a shower is helpful, though I can understand how you could identify this as not "necessary".

You don't need to know how to prepare food, you can eat out, or have others prepare food, you don't have to clean the bathroom, just flush the toilet when you use it and if water gets on floor from shower wipe it up so you will not get hurt from a slip, you don't have to clean the kitchen, furthermore, opinions on what is clean varies, taking a shower is not needed, they dont take showers every day in every country, doing your own laundry is not a need. There was no need to respond to this stuff. You are failing into a trap of trying to live how mainstream society deems appropriate if you think all of this is needed.

unfortunately, to be able to live in society people do need to conform to some social norms.

Cleaning the kitchen is not necessary? Even if you did eat out every day there would still be a build up of trash. Letting that trash build up would then leave things open for pest infestation, and bacteria growth. One can become very ill from these things. Also, if someone's home was filled with trash they could face eviction.

I could expand on all of the points you listed if you would like.

Cheze2 wrote:unfortunately, to be able to live in society people do need to conform to some social norms.

Cleaning the kitchen is not necessary? Even if you did eat out every day there would still be a build up of trash. Letting that trash build up would then leave things open for pest infestation, and bacteria growth. One can become very ill from these things. Also, if someone's home was filled with trash they could face eviction.

I could expand on all of the points you listed if you would like.

You can continue to argue this stuff but like I said this stuff is not needed. The kitchen is not the only place to put trash, some people keep there garbage can in the garage and other places. I have lived in places where I didn't use the kitchen for weeks. If you own your home you will not be facing eviction

Explain why all of these years, my ability to wake up in the morning and get moving, my good IQ in language and my TOTAL inability to do math, my past promiscuities, my super bad choices, my wreck, my almost affair.......how these weren't the product of some demented mind...........be it from trauma, bad parenting, a learning disability of some sort......................they have to be caused by SOMETHING.

Explain to me why my son has difficulty waking up in the morning and why he has a huge spatial IQ but very low reading IQ. Explain why he gets kicked out of churches.

Explain why my super brilliant husband has to move like molasses and read books over and over and over yet still can tell you about Military History and put together a computer from the side of the road and with parts from Circut City and yet cannot focus on the most elementary of things............

Explain my siblings love of alcohol and the struggle they had in becoming sober...............


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