Navy Yard shooting: Aaron Alexis, Psych meds N SSRIs ?

Here is a quote from the very first news report I clicked on after searching "Navy yard shooting".

"In addition, Alexis "went to the VA to talk to them about mental-health issues. He was trying to get help, we think," the official said, referring to the government's veteran services department. "

Source: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi- ... 4333.story

I don't have to tell the anti-psych forum how getting "help" in the world of "mental health" almost always means getting a DSM label and being started on the road of psychiatric drugging .

This website http://www.ssristories.com , as well as many others, has been trying to expose the link between psychiatric drugs and violence.

My bet would be that this is just one more psych med shooting in a very long list.

http://www.google.com/search?q=military+SSRIs wow look at all the webpages about psychiatric drugs and the military !

Aaron Alexis had been treated since August for a slew of psychiatric problems, including paranoia and a sleep disorder, by Veterans Affairs, the Associated Press reported.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1458281

I knew it , every single time the T.V lights up with the news of a mass shooting the shooter was drugged up by psychiatry !

Wow, I thought that maybe, just maybe, the myth of mental health would stay out of this case. I guess I am wrong. I watched a local channel for news yesterday and they were debating rather or not we need more armed security in such places as the one where this happened. Some man was saying that the people doing this type of stuff are lunatics. So, I guess psych wins again. Just shows you how strong the stigma of mental health still is. They use every chance they get to make a case for more treatment and more confinement willingly or unwillingly. I think the true case to be made is that mental illness and behavior should not be linked together. If you can simply change a behavior that is not a mental illness. Someone who can not change a behavior, the help that psych field offers will not help them.

This connection between psychotropic drugs and mass murder is not coincidental. There is enough evidence that antidepressants cause increased risk of suicide and violence for the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and its Canadian counterpart to require that drug companies include a “black box” warning to that effect on their packages. Our first knowledge of this association between psychotropic drugs and violence came from studies completed in the early 1950s, (8). This was supported by research completed on antidepressants in the mid-1970s, (9). More recent studies have corroborated this association between antidepressants and homicide/suicide, (10, 17). Antidepressants, specifically Paxil, appear to more than double the risk of hostility events in adult and pediatric placebo-controlled trials (11).

All of the classes of psychiatric drugs can cause violent, irrational, and/or manic behavior. Among other effects, these drugs cause a neurological condition called “akathesia,” which means that persons who take them can’t sit still and feel like they are jumping out of their skin. They behave in an agitated manner which they cannot control and experience unbearable rage, delusions, and disassociation.

Read more http://www.psychintegrity.org/isepp_statement_on_the_connection_between_psychotropic_drugs_and_mass_murder.php

1013 victim wrote:Wow, I thought that maybe, just maybe, the myth of mental health would stay out of this case. I guess I am wrong. I watched a local channel for news yesterday and they were debating rather or not we need more armed security in such places as the one where this happened. Some man was saying that the people doing this type of stuff are lunatics. So, I guess psych wins again. Just shows you how strong the stigma of mental health still is. They use every chance they get to make a case for more treatment and more confinement willingly or unwillingly. I think the true case to be made is that mental illness and behavior should not be linked together. If you can simply change a behavior that is not a mental illness. Someone who can not change a behavior, the help that psych field offers will not help them.

This guy was mentally ill. Have you read the police report he filed? Supposedly the walls and ceilings in his hotel were talking to him some time before the shooting.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/17/us/navy-y ... ?hpt=hp_t1

And the police report:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2013/image ... report.pdf

Riccola wrote:

1013 victim wrote:Wow, I thought that maybe, just maybe, the myth of mental health would stay out of this case. I guess I am wrong. I watched a local channel for news yesterday and they were debating rather or not we need more armed security in such places as the one where this happened. Some man was saying that the people doing this type of stuff are lunatics. So, I guess psych wins again. Just shows you how strong the stigma of mental health still is. They use every chance they get to make a case for more treatment and more confinement willingly or unwillingly. I think the true case to be made is that mental illness and behavior should not be linked together. If you can simply change a behavior that is not a mental illness. Someone who can not change a behavior, the help that psych field offers will not help them.

This guy was mentally ill. Have you read the police report he filed? Supposedly the walls and ceilings in his hotel were talking to him some time before the shooting.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/17/us/navy-y ... ?hpt=hp_t1

And the police report:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2013/image ... report.pdf

So, I was not there. The police could be lying, they could be blowing things out of proportion. These people frequently do this type of stuff just to cover themselves and further there own agendas.

We don't know if he was 'mentally ill' or not. THe drugs may have given him these symtoms, its hightly coincidental as we know they cause suicidality and homicidality.

TRULY SAD that all these mass shootings, especially children, all of them, on psych drugs or withdrawing from them. COme on, not every one can be this unintelligent? Someone MUST connect the dots here. PSychiatric drugs are CAUSING these problems, and if we want to see mass shootings which have become all to common especially in the US, cease, then we MUST stop psychiatry and the fda approving these dangerous and harmful drugs for use.

On another note, these drugs have literally ruined my life. There are so many things they do that cause so much horrible, devastating things to human beings. WHen are the intelligent ppl going to SAY SOMETHING.

I agree with those who have posted here that something needs to be done or looked into more regarding psychiatric medications and the rate at which these terrible incidents are occurring.

For the sake of conversation however, I am going to play the devil's advocate here.

Devilock wrote:On another note, these drugs have literally ruined my life. There are so many things they do that cause so much horrible, devastating things to human beings. When are the intelligent ppl going to SAY SOMETHING.

Do we see how small this forum us? There are but a few consistent members. Compare that with the rest of the site who mostly state that the medications help them. How are we supposed to go against that? This is similar to what happens in the rest of the world. I do believe that there needs to be further education done and that people need to be aware that they don't just need to deal with their side effects, or submit blindly to having to be on meds for the rest of their lives etc. However, while psychiatric medication may have harmed some, it seems that there are many more who advocate for it. The FDA and drug companies will continue to release more of these medications until these messages changes.

There are many ppl that support capitalism, nursing homes, no refugees, no equality, racism, Nazis, republicans, destroying the environment, harming animals, abusing children, oppression, sexism the list goes on and on. Dosnt mean that the more ppl support it or 'don't know better' are right, over history, allot of things have been morally wrong and it seems a small number of ppl have fought against it, sometimes even changing things drastically.

We are conditioned and indoctrinated from when we are small children to adults by many many forces, if we don't fit into certain moulds, or think differently than other ppl we are sometimes outcasted/scapegoated. Yes, most of the general public think psychiatry and psych drugs are good.

Because that's what theyre told by the media/public/general consensus. They believe the drug is helping them even if its only a placebo effect. Dr 'knows' best after all.

Also, I wouldn't say there is a 'small percentage' of ppl who are morally outraged by psychiatry, look at all the groups on the interent especaiily, its getting bigger and bigger. Many other ppl are drugged up and just don't have the intelligence or education to think about what just happened. They just accept the situation, this generally happens, I agree, ive seen allot of ppl just accept being put on a cto.

But, there are quite a big number of ppl against psychiatry or critical or if. ALso, theres not as big a percentage of ppl as their should be for another reason. The ppl the psychiatry harms, are usually vulrenable in the first place, maybe they were already not being heard, maybe they are too hurt emotionally or pyschiacally to fight amongst us, and psychiatry has harmed them even more and given them a disability by drugging/oppressing them, telling them they have a chronic illness etc etc. I suspect Many Many ppl are in this boat, and just don't have the energy to resist these forces in their lives. Its not just this forum. True, there are not many ppl here, but there are heaps out on the internet doing other things, maybe more useful things (not saying discussion here is not useful), forming real life groups, demonstrations, alternatives.

I just want to add, that there are so so many things we are 'told' to support. What about war? I don't want to fight in a religious war/govt war and die for them.

But the public is told we have to support this govt in killing sometimes innocent ppl in this war because we said so basically.

Sometimes ppl cannot even say out loud that they object to this, what about the draft? PPl kept their opinions to themselves.

And do we realize the actual affect that advertising/media has on us? How many times a day to we see certain images that subconsciously change our thought patterns. We're told psycahitry is good and helpful. No one even questions this unless they've been thru it, usually.

One of the things that probably is not on our side, is the fact it has been going on so long without being torn down, unlike other oppressive practices. This is for many reasons, that ive already said above. Convinience comes into this too. Lots of questions we as a society need to think about.

I just want to say, I take an anti depressant every day, it helps me not to fall apart basically, it dosnt make me happy and lately it hasn't been working that well at all. I know its damaging my brain somehow. But I Choose to be on it. I don't want to take it forever and I wont. It does not have any visible side effects. Yes, sometimes they can help. But I actually think if we invested more research into what actually helps us the best I would not choose to take an anti depressant but go with something more natural/alternative. But there is nothing here (in aust.) why? because the govt, who has lots of big business invested in psychiatry, let alone the public itself, does not want alternatives and does not want to hear about them.(generally).........