The Lie of Confidentiality

So, I just had a mod lock one of my threads because I placed the judges name in it and it got me to thinking how ignorant most people really are when it comes to this stuff. When you go to a behavorial center or mental institute there is nothing such as confidentiality. You run into possibly 100's of people that work at those places who now know your name and they go out into the communities spreading it around. You can't stop these people from doing that. They dont have to know whats on your records but they now know your face and probably your name.

So, just think once again about the people that are admitted to these places unlawfully and in a unjustified manner. This is a damage that can not be repaired once you have admitted that person. A judge is protected by the system and she is suppose to make sure that the law is being interpreted and applied correctly. So, to hell with the judge. Think about the people who have truly suffered the injustice that the judge allowed.

In my case, they sent a girl to me who started asking me about situations that arose in my life 6-8 years prior. I had never seen the girl in my 5 day stay there. She was another plant that they let inside for a specific reason. The part that troubles me is how did she know anything about me other than they went out into the community doing research. They meaning the people that worked there. They spread my name in the community. Nothing such as confidentiality. You never know when this is being spread to your next potential employer or someone else that could help you in the community.

I don't understand what u mean when u say 'they sent a girl', who knew about something that had happened to u 6-8 years prior? Could she have been a nurse? Did any of your relatives know u were in there that they could have talked to or friends?

I do agree, there is no such thing as confidentiality in these 'facilities'. Twice, it has happened to me. Once, the first time I was there, I told a social worker about some abuse that was going on in the family. THis social worker TOLD my family about this and I was/am still punished by my family for this, it made them even more angry at me than they already where! THe social worker told me it was confidential.
Secondly I was attending a clinic to get my subutex and at the time I had a 'case worker', I have had one before and they talked with my family but I never said anything to them that was interesting. Years later a famiy member told me that her and my father had been attending meetings ABOUT ME at the clinic where I used to go. Now, the clinic ppl, particularly one person had been giving me a hard time , making me wait up to 25 minutes in the booth while EVERYONE else just walked in and out! I found out later this one person was the psychologist there, so probably the person htye were having meetings with. NOw, without my CONSENT or KNOWLEDGE, also, I was 30 YEARS OLD! I wondered everyday why they were hassling me, I usually got treated well because I was friendly and not junky looking or anything, and I find out that this case worker and my PARENTS where having meetings about me!!! ABout what??? I was so angry, so yes, confidentiality is bs, these mental health workers do what they want, they make up stuff about u, they exaggerate your problems to make dramas for themselves to make themselves look like good and caring workers that actially 'have to do some work', I have been thinking of sueing for this as well as my other problem with the meds that damaged my body. Its a breach of confidentiality, I just cannot believe it, I wasn't under 18, how the hell do they get away with this! IF I had known at the time I would have made a complaint , but I eneded up chaning clinics because they were hassling me there. I have had no problem with my new clinic they r all really nice, I think because they are private the new one im at, they take the rules more seriously and CANNOT talk about u at all.

Devilock wrote:I don't understand what u mean when u say 'they sent a girl', who knew about something that had happened to u 6-8 years prior? Could she have been a nurse? Did any of your relatives know u were in there that they could have talked to or friends?

I do agree, there is no such thing as confidentiality in these 'facilities'. Twice, it has happened to me. Once, the first time I was there, I told a social worker about some abuse that was going on in the family. THis social worker TOLD my family about this and I was/am still punished by my family for this, it made them even more angry at me than they already where! THe social worker told me it was confidential.
Secondly I was attending a clinic to get my subutex and at the time I had a 'case worker', I have had one before and they talked with my family but I never said anything to them that was interesting. Years later a famiy member told me that her and my father had been attending meetings ABOUT ME at the clinic where I used to go. Now, the clinic ppl, particularly one person had been giving me a hard time , making me wait up to 25 minutes in the booth while EVERYONE else just walked in and out! I found out later this one person was the psychologist there, so probably the person htye were having meetings with. NOw, without my CONSENT or KNOWLEDGE, also, I was 30 YEARS OLD! I wondered everyday why they were hassling me, I usually got treated well because I was friendly and not junky looking or anything, and I find out that this case worker and my PARENTS where having meetings about me!!! ABout what??? I was so angry, so yes, confidentiality is bs, these mental health workers do what they want, they make up stuff about u, they exaggerate your problems to make dramas for themselves to make themselves look like good and caring workers that actially 'have to do some work', I have been thinking of sueing for this as well as my other problem with the meds that damaged my body. Its a breach of confidentiality, I just cannot believe it, I wasn't under 18, how the hell do they get away with this! IF I had known at the time I would have made a complaint , but I eneded up chaning clinics because they were hassling me there. I have had no problem with my new clinic they r all really nice, I think because they are private the new one im at, they take the rules more seriously and CANNOT talk about u at all.

No, it was not something that had happened to me. I was wearing my hair longer 6-8 years ago and the girl asked me about it and why did I cut it off and what did I do with it.She then made this statement that what a price to pay for wifi and something. Then she told me that I did not have long left and asked why I was not listening to her because she was trying to help me. She was not a nurse. She was not a patient because she never showed for any of the patient activities or meals. She was a plant. I know this because there was atleast one other clear plant put there specifically for me.

1013 victim wrote:So, I just had a mod lock one of my threads because I placed the judges name in it and it got me to thinking how ignorant most people really are when it comes to this stuff.

1013victim,
If you have an issue with a step that a mod has taken, it is not to be discussed on the open forum, but through PM with someone on the mod team. I encourage you to read the forum rules which are in my signature. Consider this an informal warning.

In regards to confidentiality, if your confidentiality has been broken I would encourage you to file a formal complaint through that agency. Devilock, in regards to the subutex place, if you have not signed a release for them to speak to your family, then they are breaching your confidentiality and it is a HIPPAA violation. You could sue them. This is a serious issue that I personally, don't believe people should just sit back and let it happen. Stand up for your rights.

The only time a person or facility can speak with someone without your consent is if they believe you are an imminent danger to yourself or others. They have a duty to warn that other person if this danger falls under the "other" category as well as the proper authorities or crisis agency/hospital/your treatment team.

Seriously think I have a chance at sueing them? Totally they broke the law by what they did. But by what u said, being a danger and all that, this was a mental health case worker who instigated these meetings without my consent, (so did the clinic) I signed no release form, but wouldn't this case worker just say something along the lines of I was being a danger to my self thast why we called the meetings? But the case worker couldn't justify involving my PARENTS could they? I mean if they really lied and said I was a danger to myself at 30 yrs old they have to involve authorities but can they tell your parents? Im sure she wwould probably say something about she was worried about the subutex I was taking, which is ridiculous because every other person that goes there gets meds like this and they don't get treated that way. I had no idea why they where making me stand there for 25 mintues when everyone else just walked in swallowed their meds and walked out? I was really hurt by it actually until I found out what was going on.

Cheze2 wrote:

1013 victim wrote:So, I just had a mod lock one of my threads because I placed the judges name in it and it got me to thinking how ignorant most people really are when it comes to this stuff.

1013victim,
If you have an issue with a step that a mod has taken, it is not to be discussed on the open forum, but through PM with someone on the mod team. I encourage you to read the forum rules which are in my signature. Consider this an informal warning.

In regards to confidentiality, if your confidentiality has been broken I would encourage you to file a formal complaint through that agency. Devilock, in regards to the subutex place, if you have not signed a release for them to speak to your family, then they are breaching your confidentiality and it is a HIPPAA violation. You could sue them. This is a serious issue that I personally, don't believe people should just sit back and let it happen. Stand up for your rights.

The only time a person or facility can speak with someone without your consent is if they believe you are an imminent danger to yourself or others. They have a duty to warn that other person if this danger falls under the "other" category as well as the proper authorities or crisis agency/hospital/your treatment team.

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Cheze2 wrote:

1013 victim wrote:So, I just had a mod lock one of my threads because I placed the judges name in it and it got me to thinking how ignorant most people really are when it comes to this stuff.

1013victim,
If you have an issue with a step that a mod has taken, it is not to be discussed on the open forum, but through PM with someone on the mod team. I encourage you to read the forum rules which are in my signature. Consider this an informal warning.

In regards to confidentiality, if your confidentiality has been broken I would encourage you to file a formal complaint through that agency. Devilock, in regards to the subutex place, if you have not signed a release for them to speak to your family, then they are breaching your confidentiality and it is a HIPPAA violation. You could sue them. This is a serious issue that I personally, don't believe people should just sit back and let it happen. Stand up for your rights.

The only time a person or facility can speak with someone without your consent is if they believe you are an imminent danger to yourself or others. They have a duty to warn that other person if this danger falls under the "other" category as well as the proper authorities or crisis agency/hospital/your treatment team.

What sense does it make to file a complaint to the institution about itself? That is just silly imo. There not going to admit to any of there wrongs I would not be there if they were into admitting that they are wrong. The only recourse is to sue these people. Finally, informal warning or not my point stands. People are trying to protect those that already have protection. Who is protecting people like me in these cases? If I broke the rules I apologize and I should read them but this seems similar to what they do in there system. The judge and court does not want to be publicly challenged because they know they risk losing some of there power and control and that is all they want. They dont care if they are right or wrong and they dont care about following rules or applying laws correctly

Devilock wrote:Seriously think I have a chance at sueing them?

The first thing I would do is obtain copies of all paperwork that you signed when signing up for the program and read through these carefully to ensure that there is not something in small writing that you signed that says they can contact certain people.

The second thing I would do is obtain a copy of your notes/chart to read through their discussions. It is from these notes, not the worker's voice that they would base the majority of their decisions. In the mental health world, if it's not written, it didn't happen.

The third thing I would do is check the laws in your country. I know you're from AU. I am from the US so I'm not sure if the laws differ.

Make your decisions based on the information that you gather from the above three things.

Great. Good idea! Id like to see what they talked about too! Thanx.