Okay, so what is schizophrenia

they said i was paranoid schizo before committing me 5 days against my will. I have not had a shift and I am not taking medicine. This stuff is not real. You have to be weak minded to accept such a label. I liken the whole field to black magic or voodoo. This stuff does not work on you unless you play into it

What's schizophrenia? A colossal reification. The fact that people even have to ask what "it" is, says it all. We don't ask what cancer is, or other empirically observable diseases. In support of the diagnosis, people adduce all sorts of examples, in lieu of any concrete evidence that would bring closure, and without understanding the circularity of their logic and the prejudgements they are using to frame the phenomena. It occupies pretty much the same logical and empirical status as witchcraft, and is utterly meaningless in furthering our understanding of what is going on with the ridiculously heterogeneous group of people diagnosed as such, who unsurprisingly, pretty much never conform to the stereotypes which have taken root in the mass mind (rendering debate impossible, because they invoke these delusional stereotypes, forged in the minds of the persecutors, as evidence of some as yet elusive disease process).

Devilock, you bring up a lot of good points. Recovery is absolutely real for all people diagnosed with a psychiatric disability. I fear that my post did not exemplify this as it should have. I also know someone diagnosed with schizophrenia who once diagnosed was unable to read, but has now been able to regain much of her lost skill set and holds a very high position in a prominent company. I believe there are a lot of things at play, many of which you bring up in your post.

firstly, as with all psychiatric diagnoses since they are based on the subjective experience of one doctor vs medical tests there are leaps and bounds of misdiagnoses.

second, trauma does play a big role in people's mental health. The mental health culture does need to become more informed on the effects of trauma, and people in the MH world need to respect the individual's understanding of their own difficulties vs just trying to label them.

third, recovery is real! People can experience extreme emotional states due to a variety of reasons and then recover.

"mentally ill" people have always been hurt by caregivers in the firstplace and realizing they re trapped by dominant people who manipulate them and others they end "schizoid" etc. whatever the label they re given by the assholes who want to make them shut their mouths. It's always psychological/physical/both abuse from people you were suposed to trust but who destroyed you in their own interest(s). These people have all reasons to want you to feel like you re responsible, trapped inside their web. They want you to label yourself as this or that, because they know that at this moment you ll stop fighting for the truth and survival. It's always scary to see so called "care givers" being worshiped by dumb people who dont realize the very same care givers are 9 times out of ten the ones responsibles for the suffering of the "handicapped/ "trapped" one in the first place. wont even mentions mothers and father who use/abuse drugs or do nasty crap before conceiving kids and then when the kids turn out to have abnormalities, nobody is looking at the real responsibles. Most of the times they re even taken in pity while they are the ones who created all the suffering, then use the suffering person they created to get attention and pity from others.

Someone elsewhere had said that the diagnosis was a dumping ground for odd behaviors and paranoia--a catch all.

Who knows.

I hope I didn' t start WWIII.

Have a good weekend.

So called "paranoid" "schizoid" "personalities are just people who are scared of what other evil people can do to them and others. When you sense someone think something bad or plan to do hurt you, it's not paranoia, its normal instinct. It's especially hard when it's someone you trust. My father and mother threatened me all childhood long with emotional games and as a result i have become "hyper sensititve" as an adult. The fact my mother smoked during pregnancy didnt help.
So called schzoid, paranoid personalities are just people who need more calm, tranquility, a safe and predictable environment because their alarm system is constantly on"high" alert. It's probably embeded biologically in their brains.
They re somewhat "christ like" personalities who see, understand, all the evil intentions in others but cannot reveal, expose them , because absolutely everyone is somewhat evil, you d have to spend your life criticizing others and their evil ways.
So you have to keep it shut and do just like everyone else is doing; hide how you survive, hide how you kill slowly, others, instead of being killed by them. There are just powerful people who are used to kill without getting caught, and....others.


Ultimately, these characteristics desrcibed and labeled as "mental illnesses" are just strategies of survival EVERYONE as an animal uses daily. Everyone is paranoid. Everyone is "schizoid" and pretend to like, understand, people they are forced to deal with daily to earn a salary and insure their survival. We are all pretending to be something else different than animals, but make no mistake, we re no "better" than them. Some people are just more peaceful and want a quieter life while others are used to live in fear and violence and often reproduce this once adults to insure their own survival. The big fat bully who was taught to be violent by his big fat father will strive, the skinny son of a single mother kid who was not taught anything, was abandonned by his father who left, and who watched too many carebears animes is going to get crushed both mentally and physically.

Many "fragile" "deep" personnalities are able to understand what lies behind people stares and thoughts. They see the real animal intentions behind all actions. They end cynical, but their cynicism is entirely justified. Better be gullible and naive if you want to be happy. If you cant be naive or gullible, then you better find a very peaceful, quiet, calm place where to live where there wont be much stress and attempts by others humans being to dominate you daily. This is why you have ermits who leave everything because they know they re too smart to be able to stand the daily life in cities full of people constantly harassing you , mainly psychologically nowadays as physical violence is somewhat forbidden as long as the economic stability is assured. Be sure that in times of economic collapse for example, people would throw themselves at each others throats in a matter of days for resources, survival. Fact is if you want to reduce your stress you need very few, significant, peaceful and predictable relationships with people who think alike and need you to insure your survival, living in cities full of comeptition and "enemies" all trying to dominate each others is a receipe for disaster especially for someone who is weak minded , or might I say, who sees too many things and cant stand what he s seeing anymore.
The funny is tho, that whenshit hits the fan, it's the very few people who left cities who have higher odds of survival.

Again, EVERYONE is schizoid and paranoid, everyone has this "traits" of "personality", some are just stronger, more powerful, safer for various reasons , conditionings they often didnt even choose in the first place, and as a result have an easier life, while others are weaker for the same reasons they often didnt choose and when trying to fight back the oppression of those who want to enslave them fail simply because they re not armed enough compared to the competition.

This, ladies and gentlemen is called, Life, also known as struggle for survival. Whatever the way you survive, the only point is to survive. Are you stronger, smarter, faster, fitter compared to the competition? The real question is, is there any morality, in all of this, or is morality just an invention we created. Isnt morality rules we developed which are supposed to protect the species from extremist behaviors , so one could survive decently playing the society, game's rules and hope to give something to his offspring. We re a "schizophrenic" species, pretending to be saints, when in fact we re just animals. Hiding our will to dominate behind your fake smiles. In the end there are just people who survive, and people who don't. What makes you feel good? being successful at dominating. What makes you feel bad? failing at being successful, being weak, and others can feel weakness and prey on it.
Strong, and weak, those who adapt, and those who don't. Hapiness, strenght, domination, survival, and frustration, weakness, submission, death. Binary system. Weak people have no other goal but to get stronger, or they re going to disapear. And strong people have no other goal but to stay at the top defending their position at all costs.

Schizophrenia is seeing life for what it is. It's easier to be conditioned and taught to kill blindly and do so indefinitely until your dying day, it is way easier and you ll probably be happier living that way. Smart people who understand how life really works often dont last long.

When men created God(s) they just created a perfect man who can see, hear, everything, everywhere, for ever, who could... CONTROL, DOMINATE, everything, God is just a perfect animal created by our inner desire to be that ultimate, allmighty man none of us will ever be. Our thirst for power... Our animality generates our so called morality and spirituality.

Schizophrenia is a 'label' that includes a HUGE range of symtoms and as we all know cannot be medically tested, so theoretically it does not exist, just a list of symtoms do, and each and everyone labeled with this, is different in their breakdown symptoms, so how do we know? can we just group them all together and degredate them with this label? I guess so, because that is whats happening....just my 2 cents.

These symptoms could characterize anyone's thought patterns at any given moment... Fact is a "schizoid" person who s loved and taught some useful stuff by caregivers , role models etc will become a successful person, while another "schizoid" person abandoned because nobody sees any interest in mentoring him/her will turn his anger toward others, and justifiably so.

In fact if you cant dominate or excel in anything in life, you cant be happy. This is why we develop skills, and are trained to develop skills that make us valuable in the eyes of others. There is no point in being alive if you cant dominate, as dominating is directly linked to the production of happiness by the chemicals in our brain.

Interesting thread