Okay, so what is schizophrenia

Hello.

On another forum a person had posted something about new research in the area of schizophrenia and that they were looking specific functions of the thryoid, etc.

"What really causes Schizophrenia." It is written by a Harold D. Foster. I don't know all the contents but the parts I have read are about:
Genetic Predisposition
Body systems that are affected (He states the Thyroid gland's function contributes to Schizophrenia, for example)
A modern history of explosions in schizophrenia rates in the beginning of the Industrial age
Different Potential treatments with an emphasis on non-standard treatments (such as fasting or high doses of thyroid medications)"


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So, in your opinion--------------------------------------

What is schizophrenia? Is it just a label? Is it a response to an enviornmentally ruined world filled with patriarichal oppression and greed?

Why if someone from the medical establishment is trying to make a good effort is the medical model still rejected altogether?

Other than Soteria Houses, and alternative treatment can society handle and treat whatever you would want to call this condition?

I'm just asking.
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I am an Icaristan, but I am more conventional and traditional than the others and have been treated for various disorders from age 6 and on (that's 39 years) and for bipolar since age 25 (for twenty years).

A lack of love and trust from caregivers. Then all life long you realize people are just defeding their own interests , survival, and that only the strongest, smartest, able to adapt and beat the competition -in mind games of in physical fights- survive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominance_hierarchy

We are animals so all our behaviors and thoughts pattern are geared toward killing or getting killed, psychologically or physically.

When you have to settle in a new environment, people calculate what are you strenghts and weaknesses and how they can use you in order to insure their own survival. If you represent a threat to their survival they ll do their best to wipe you out by all means, at all costs. People who think alike will unite to push outside those who represent a danger to their way of thinking and living . At work it's all about mindgames and psychological warfare. In so called civlized modern societies, people dont kill each others with weapons but with words, and money. Still it's all about killing or getting killed, daily.

I believe people who were manipulated emotionally very early, who were exposed to destructive behaviors and thoughts patterns from their caregivers end cynical and paranoid simply because they soon realized the true nature of man, his animal nature, and that all #######4 and so called intelligence, feelings, put aside, we re just animals doing their best to insure their survival first and foremost, nothing more to see or understand.

I believe every single human ends "schizophrenic" if he lives long enough to reach a very advanced age. Basically schizoid people just age psychologically faster than others. But look at old people. They know the rules of the game, they know we re just animals and that everything else is #######4. They know it's all bout dominating or being dominated. A schizophrenic person just realizes this sooner than most people who were cuddled by caregivers. Still, even these people who were "loved" more, do their best to beat the competition daily and are taught they deserve to survive more than others. Some people are just stronger because they were taught, conditioned that way. Others
were abandoned, ignored, despised by those who spawned them into this life. Most find a way to adapt and survive, and everyone wants power, fame, control , domination over others and spend their life trying to find someone to dominate, something to master, a skill that will insure people will need them and justify their existence.

I think that "mental illnesses" are mental abnormalities, but no illnesses. I think absolutely every single human on earth could be characterized by the description given in these books. I think it's safer to cure yourself reading the Bible than buying pills that make people richer. Psys, pills sellers, need "mentally ill" people to insure their own survival. Most of the time if you spend enough time with them, you realize they are as "mentally ill" than you, they just...hide it better.

I also dont like the idea of labeling yourself into a category, which ultimately leads you to stop wanting to improve by yourself and find others ways to survive. Dont trap , enslave yourself.

You re just a person who suffered, suffers, and need to find people who think alike and would give you love in return for what you d bring them. As simple as that. You re not "ill". You re "hurt".

What drives people crazy / mad is their realization of how others people in power use everything under the sun to hold their dominating position at all costs even if it means destroying others psyches. But if you find people who dont want to destroy or control you, dominate you without giving you anything in return, everything immediately starts to get a lot more healthy.

Again a Bible is a lot cheaper than any pill. What if all schizoid people were in fact christ like figures, and if everyone else, the "normal" ones, were in fact the real evil ones? Think about it. I have yet to know a so called schizoid person who couldnt be incredibly productive and creative, given the right amount of love and support.

I hope you guys realize most succesful persons in this world are the defintion of schizoid individuals, they just found a way to adapt it and to use it to dominate others, at work for example. We re all animals who could kill if necessary to insure their survival, some are just better at hiding it.

My own mother smoke while bring pregnant of me which as science proved increases drastically the odds i could be "schizoid" especially in my 30s. Still i m functioning part of society, am a father and follow the Bible to know what is good and bad and to be a good husband. I play basketball in a club, I have hobbies, make music and so on. Still, I realize we are all animals pretending to be something else, something more. Still i realize there is a global, constant, process of selection at work and that only the fittest, strongest, smartest, adapt and survive. Well fact is when you re successful at insuring your survival or the survival of your family/offspring, nothing else matters much. It's enough to make you happy. Because that's all we re supposed to do anyway, survive and replicate, dominate instead of being dominated. We all have to rise in the ladder and wish our offsprings would dominate others instead of being dominated by them once adults. You can never escape this basic animal reality. Now, some people have a hard time dealing with this fact, our inherent animality. They wish we could all be living like carebears in a perfect world. That's because they re immature, probably raised by single mothers. Fathers didnt inculcate them what life is truly about; nice stuff, and not so nice stuff. Then there is a need for religion, spirituality, to morally justify the way we choose to survive, to give a meaning to what we do, to be able to determinate the usefullness of our actions and beliefs.

Ethologists study aggression as it relates to the interaction and evolution of animals in natural settings. In such settings aggression can involve bodily contact such as biting, hitting or pushing, but most conflicts are settled by threat displays and intimidating thrusts that cause no physical harm. This form of aggression may include the display of body size, antlers, claws or teeth; stereotyped signals including facial expressions; vocalizations such as bird song; the release of chemicals; and changes in coloration.[16] The term agonistic behaviour is sometimes used to refer to these forms of behavior.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggression

everything you need to know about animal/human interactions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominance_%28ethology%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecking_order

Pretty much everything you need to know.

it doesn't exist

Exactly. Everyone is this or that, some are just better at controlling themselves often because they were raised by better caregivers who gave them more confidence, but make no mistakes we re all animals trying to insure our own survival first and foresmot even if at the expense of someone else survival/interests.

What s the difference between a "successful" (dominating) person and a non successful person? Both have to insure their survival adapting and killing instead of getting killed, one is just better at doing so and commit less mistakes because she /he was better prepared, conditioned, taught, to survive by his caregivers, while the other was left mostly alone without direction, guidance, advises from his own caregivers hence the fact he commits more mistakes and suffers more. He falls for all the traps while the better prepared kid, young adult, avoid them which in return increases his confidence even more.

"Loving" your children mean teaching them everything you know, learned, acquired, to insure their survival at the expense of the competition if necessary. If you truly love your offspring, well, your genes in them and if you truly want them to evolve, get stronger and survive, you ll make sure they beat the competition and you wont abandon them in front of a TV while trying to forget the reason why you even spawned them in the firstplace.

Love= interests and survival. You like then eventually love who shares the same interests as yours.

If I wanted to define things like the foolish industry does. I would call paranoia a heightened sense of alertness. I would call schizophrenia the act of allowing your heightened sense of alertness to dictate your actions.

I have indeed met a lot of schizoid people (with what they call the personality disorder) who are highly intelligent. I have known or been acquainted with 4 such individuals and 3 of them I consider to be highly gifted or MENSA.
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It could be a state of heightened awareness, like the shamans have. That's probably it...a genetic throwback to when we had more intution about the world around us and were closer to nature. As we as humans got away from that intution and forced ourselves into cities and crowding and job pressure and the world kept getting tighter and more "modern" then there was no room for people who had gifts. That--sounds about right.

Fantastic comment! I agree , if your not given love from your caregivers, but used by them for sadistic purposes/dominance/their devious needs then u sort of break off into survival mode, for me having been abused by a family member for over 30 years (I still cant get away from them because they kidnapped my child) at first this survival method included using drugs, then I went thru a huge trauma and just couldn't cope anymore, breaking into some extreme states/nervous breakdown, this family member has pushed me into breakdowns twice, by isolating me, belittling me, isolating me from my child. Totally, its survival of the fittest out there, unless you are lucky enough to come from loving caregivers and then go on to attract yourself to loving friends etc, you can have a happy life. I could say more but I gotta go out...

ohwell2013 wrote:A lack of love and trust from caregivers. Then all life long you realize people are just defeding their own interests , survival, and that only the strongest, smartest, able to adapt and beat the competition -in mind games of in physical fights- survive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominance_hierarchy

We are animals so all our behaviors and thoughts pattern are geared toward killing or getting killed, psychologically or physically.

When you have to settle in a new environment, people calculate what are you strenghts and weaknesses and how they can use you in order to insure their own survival. If you represent a threat to their survival they ll do their best to wipe you out by all means, at all costs. People who think alike will unite to push outside those who represent a danger to their way of thinking and living . At work it's all about mindgames and psychological warfare. In so called civlized modern societies, people dont kill each others with weapons but with words, and money. Still it's all about killing or getting killed, daily.

I believe people who were manipulated emotionally very early, who were exposed to destructive behaviors and thoughts patterns from their caregivers end cynical and paranoid simply because they soon realized the true nature of man, his animal nature, and that all #######4 and so called intelligence, feelings, put aside, we re just animals doing their best to insure their survival first and foremost, nothing more to see or understand.

I believe every single human ends "schizophrenic" if he lives long enough to reach a very advanced age. Basically schizoid people just age psychologically faster than others. But look at old people. They know the rules of the game, they know we re just animals and that everything else is #######4. They know it's all bout dominating or being dominated. A schizophrenic person just realizes this sooner than most people who were cuddled by caregivers. Still, even these people who were "loved" more, do their best to beat the competition daily and are taught they deserve to survive more than others. Some people are just stronger because they were taught, conditioned that way. Others
were abandoned, ignored, despised by those who spawned them into this life. Most find a way to adapt and survive, and everyone wants power, fame, control , domination over others and spend their life trying to find someone to dominate, something to master, a skill that will insure people will need them and justify their existence.

I think that "mental illnesses" are mental abnormalities, but no illnesses. I think absolutely every single human on earth could be characterized by the description given in these books. I think it's safer to cure yourself reading the Bible than buying pills that make people richer. Psys, pills sellers, need "mentally ill" people to insure their own survival. Most of the time if you spend enough time with them, you realize they are as "mentally ill" than you, they just...hide it better.

I also dont like the idea of labeling yourself into a category, which ultimately leads you to stop wanting to improve by yourself and find others ways to survive. Dont trap , enslave yourself.

You re just a person who suffered, suffers, and need to find people who think alike and would give you love in return for what you d bring them. As simple as that. You re not "ill". You re "hurt".

What drives people crazy / mad is their realization of how others people in power use everything under the sun to hold their dominating position at all costs even if it means destroying others psyches. But if you find people who dont want to destroy or control you, dominate you without giving you anything in return, everything immediately starts to get a lot more healthy.

Again a Bible is a lot cheaper than any pill. What if all schizoid people were in fact christ like figures, and if everyone else, the "normal" ones, were in fact the real evil ones? Think about it. I have yet to know a so called schizoid person who couldnt be incredibly productive and creative, given the right amount of love and support.

I hope you guys realize most succesful persons in this world are the defintion of schizoid individuals, they just found a way to adapt it and to use it to dominate others, at work for example. We re all animals who could kill if necessary to insure their survival, some are just better at hiding it.

My own mother smoke while bring pregnant of me which as science proved increases drastically the odds i could be "schizoid" especially in my 30s. Still i m functioning part of society, am a father and follow the Bible to know what is good and bad and to be a good husband. I play basketball in a club, I have hobbies, make music and so on. Still, I realize we are all animals pretending to be something else, something more. Still i realize there is a global, constant, process of selection at work and that only the fittest, strongest, smartest, adapt and survive. Well fact is when you re successful at insuring your survival or the survival of your family/offspring, nothing else matters much. It's enough to make you happy. Because that's all we re supposed to do anyway, survive and replicate, dominate instead of being dominated. We all have to rise in the ladder and wish our offsprings would dominate others instead of being dominated by them once adults. You can never escape this basic animal reality. Now, some people have a hard time dealing with this fact, our inherent animality. They wish we could all be living like carebears in a perfect world. That's because they re immature, probably raised by single mothers. Fathers didnt inculcate them what life is truly about; nice stuff, and not so nice stuff. Then there is a need for religion, spirituality, to morally justify the way we choose to survive, to give a meaning to what we do, to be able to determinate the usefullness of our actions and beliefs.

Ethologists study aggression as it relates to the interaction and evolution of animals in natural settings. In such settings aggression can involve bodily contact such as biting, hitting or pushing, but most conflicts are settled by threat displays and intimidating thrusts that cause no physical harm. This form of aggression may include the display of body size, antlers, claws or teeth; stereotyped signals including facial expressions; vocalizations such as bird song; the release of chemicals; and changes in coloration.[16] The term agonistic behaviour is sometimes used to refer to these forms of behavior.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggression

everything you need to know about animal/human interactions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominance_%28ethology%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecking_order

Pretty much everything you need to know.

My upbringing was good for the most part. My grown up life has been good for the most part. I feel like doctors just blow things out of proportion and make up names for every thing. I don't necessarily agree with the caretaker theory. I maintain this stuff does not even exist at the level society has blown it up to and that it does not need to be treated by medicine and that medicine makes you worse.

how many of you have known someone diagnosed with schizophrenia before and after they have been diagnosed? I'm not here to say that necessarily the label of schizophrenia is real or not, but there is a cognitive shift that occurs in people with this diagnosis.

I knew someone who was a grand master at chess before diagnosis, and was going to Harvard. He then became unwell and was unable to even understand the concept of how to play chess. This lingered for the rest of his life. Explain that for those of you who don't believe in schizophrenia. Perhaps we could just remove the diagnostic label and use "extreme emotional states" if it is just the word you disagree with.

While we are talking about schizophrenia, let's try to use person centered/human experience language here especially since we on this forum wish to move away from the medical model. It is no longer acceptable to use the term "schizophrenic." They are people diagnosed with schizophrenia. A "schizoid" would be someone diagnosed with schizoid personality disorder. These are two very different diagnoses so keep that in mind.

I know at least 5 ppl before and after being diagnosed as schizophrenic, one was raped by a preist when he was 7, was completely normal until he had a breakdown ten years later and thought his computer was giving him secret messages and the Koran book was their to help him in his mission to help ppl as a prophet, this breakdown lasted a couple of months then he returned to normal to become 'anti psychiatry' (or whatever we want to call it) and to go on to a good career and social life, he was labled schizophrenic. The other was a great friend who I used to hang out with when I was a teenager, was a unique guy until problems with his dominant parents became an issue, he wasn't fitting the social/family role, ie. as being a brilliant musician that his parents brought him up to be (which he is btw) and his father became violent and kicked him out on the streets when he was 16, its 15 years later and he still struggles with voices and paranoia but holds down a job he has probably been well 1/-2 years out of 15 years, in and out of hosipitals. He blames himself and thinks he is a sinner in gods eyes and must do anything for anyone to gain access to heaven, he is subservient to mental health proffestionas and his violent parents. ANother guy was repeatedly raped and abused by an uncle for several years when he was a kid. His mother found out about the abuse and did nothing, kept dropping him off at his uncles house apparently (according to him) as his uncle had money and his mother was quite poor. He still sticks up for his mother and says she had to go to work and leave us somehow, his brother also was abused by the uncle. This is a really sweet and noble guy and I actually went out with him for a few weeks. He still gets on and off voices but hates psychiatry with a passion. Another guy I knew at school, totally normal, bmx bike rider from a good family (supposedly), I met him again in 'hospital' and he told me his story that hed been raped at a bording school. Hed had a few breakdowns after that, hates psychiatry. Just recently he has been heavily into drugs and coping by taking more and more, he does not have voices anymore or anything. I mean I could go on and on, but can u see the pattern here? They have all been abused , usually sexually and have some kind of breakdown that gets them labeled 'schizophrenic' and issued a degredation ceremony which ###$ them up. I have met many many more and the pattern continues, abuse, trauma, no one caring to see what possibly is going wrong in their life but just drugged up and labeled. This is why I believe that the current label schizophrenic is just ppl pain coming out in a different way, yes it should be labeled 'extreme states' but after time that would stigmatise too im sure due to psychiatry and drug companies total disregard for human life and health. I believe that 90% of ppl labeled with a mh diagnosis has some kind of trauma or abuse in their lives, and environmental factors GREATLY contribute to these diagnosis'. Its psychiatrys attitude to 'these ppl' that causes stigma, they want them to be subservient, they want to dehumanize them and tell them what to do and what is best for them, for many reasons they do this. Schizophrenia is a 'label' that includes a HUGE range of symtoms and as we all know cannot be medically tested, so theoretically it does not exist, just a list of symtoms do, and each and everyone labeled with this, is different in their breakdown symptoms, so how do we know? can we just group them all together and degredate them with this label? I guess so, because that is whats happening....just my 2 cents.