Okay, so what is schizophrenia

Tauran wrote:Schizophrenia is very specific medical condition, not just a random label. It is a psychosis. No one who has ever met a schizophrenic could possibly think they are more in touch with reality than the rest of us.

You may be confused because the word "schizophrenic" is sometimes used by uninformed people to mean "weird" or "crazy." I've heard it used to describe people who just change their minds a lot. The word literally means "split head" so some people think it means multiple personalities. It's none of those things, and it is also different from "schizoid personality disorder" or "schizoaffective disorder." Those things may have many components and the person who has them may be more or less able to function normally in society.

Actual schizophrenia is something completely different. It is extremely painful and terrifying to the person who suffers it and to their family and friends. There is no up side. There is no way to consider it just a different perscpective or being more sensitive or imaginative. Saying that it is seriously belittles what its victims and their families go through.

Cledwyn Bulbs wrote:

Tauran wrote:Schizophrenia is very specific medical condition, not just a random label. It is a psychosis. No one who has ever met a schizophrenic could possibly think they are more in touch with reality than the rest of us.

You may be confused because the word "schizophrenic" is sometimes used by uninformed people to mean "weird" or "crazy." I've heard it used to describe people who just change their minds a lot. The word literally means "split head" so some people think it means multiple personalities. It's none of those things, and it is also different from "schizoid personality disorder" or "schizoaffective disorder." Those things may have many components and the person who has them may be more or less able to function normally in society.

Actual schizophrenia is something completely different. It is extremely painful and terrifying to the person who suffers it and to their family and friends. There is no up side. There is no way to consider it just a different perscpective or being more sensitive or imaginative. Saying that it is seriously belittles what its victims and their families go through.

Uh, I've met lots of "schizophrenics", and supposedly am one myself, so you are simply wrong on that issue. Maybe you should engage that organ between your ears next time before you make a comment. I've spent six months in a nominal hospital whose catchment area is at the lowest end of the socio-economic spectrum, the kind of conditions within which this most elusive of "diseases" supposedly metastasizes, and nothing I saw engrained in me the conviction that these people were suffering from a medical disease, after all, I'm not going to accept that someone is ill based purely on the ipse dixits of a group of people with no independent verification of their "diagnoses", which belong more in the category of oracular pronouncements and pontifical statements than they do with real medical diagnoses empirically corroborated and not just accepted on the authority of the speaker.

Whilst we should tailor our interpretations of the individual so labelled according to the particulars of their circumstances and the "symptoms" of their "disease" (after all the label is little more than an umbrella term for the subsumption of a broad, diverse range of individuals whose experiences and situations are often not really susceptible of being grouped together, which is one of the reasons why the light this subject generates lends itself to refractions through many different interpretative lenses), some of the patients I've met seemed to be especially sensitive to the provblems of being human and the reality of human existence.

That's not belittling, what you are saying is belittling, treating adults as if they were ignorant children in need of deliverance from the arbiters of reason, a viewpoint that has been put in the service of the ongoing abuse of the patient by his so-called benefactors and runs like a blood red thread through the whole historical tapestry of man's oppression of his fellow man.

Tauran wrote:Schizophrenia is very specific medical condition, not just a random label. It is a psychosis. No one who has ever met a schizophrenic could possibly think they are more in touch with reality than the rest of us.

You may be confused because the word "schizophrenic" is sometimes used by uninformed people to mean "weird" or "crazy." I've heard it used to describe people who just change their minds a lot. The word literally means "split head" so some people think it means multiple personalities. It's none of those things, and it is also different from "schizoid personality disorder" or "schizoaffective disorder." Those things may have many components and the person who has them may be more or less able to function normally in society.

Actual schizophrenia is something completely different. It is extremely painful and terrifying to the person who suffers it and to their family and friends. There is no up side. There is no way to consider it just a different perscpective or being more sensitive or imaginative. Saying that it is seriously belittles what its victims and their families go through.

After 10 years, of the people diagnosed with schizophrenia:

25% Completely Recover
25% Much Improved, relatively independent
25% Improved, but require extensive support network

After 30 years, of the people diagnosed with schizophrenia:

25% Completely Recover
35% Much Improved, relatively independent
15% Improved, but require extensive support network

bright_star wrote:Psychiatry is not looking for your best interests or optimum health. I've almost fully recovered, as in being medication free. The withdrawal is terrible though.

P0ci wrote:Its a lie, and thanks to Ron Howard and his fairytale called "A beautiful mind" the world believes it. Who the hell sees a spook that tells you to decode soviet codes in the newspaper. Not even on the highest dose of LSD or Mescaline does one have such hallucinations. And they say schizo is real? That's bs.

Tyler77 wrote:

P0ci wrote:Its a lie, and thanks to Ron Howard and his fairytale called "A beautiful mind" the world believes it. Who the hell sees a spook that tells you to decode soviet codes in the newspaper. Not even on the highest dose of LSD or Mescaline does one have such hallucinations. And they say schizo is real? That's bs.

Well, I don't know, maybe the fact that it's a MOVIE means the truth has been stretched a little bit. Movies aren't usually meant to be the stick of truthful information. They're meant to entertain people and make a lot of money doing so. Let's take another Ron Howard film for example, Rush. As a huge Formula One fan, and one who has studied the rivalry that that movie surrounds, and it's chalk full of things that never happened. Nikki Lauda didn't consider retiring after he had that horrific crash that left him severely burned (both in the film and in real life), and James Hunt wasn't a playboy like he was in the movie. Saying something in a movie is automatically true is like saying everything on the internet is true, and so is everything on television.

Now let's move on to the fact that you just called hundreds of millions of people liars and practically said they're full of BS, I will refrain from fully speaking my mind, but what gives you the right to say what I myself and many others go through is "a lie"? Oh, wait, let me guess... "there's no evidence that supports Schizophrenia." I'm sorry, but do you know how much we, as a race, don't know about the human brain? Sure, we've made monumental strides over the past decade alone on the study of the brain, but the brain is one complex thing. Where does consciousness stem from in the brain? How do we sleep and dream? How do we move and react so well? How can someone thread a needle? How can neurological biologists cut out the thinnest parts of the brain? How does someone play one of Mozart's piano concertos? There's is so much about the brain that we don't know. Just because we can't find viable evidence to support it, other than the fact that millions of people suffer from it, just like billions of people dream, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.