One option for those forcefully medicated

causalset wrote:Are you basically saying something along the lines "yes doctors are wrong, but you have to comply with what they tell you anyway?"

There can be serious side effects from stopping medications cold turkey such as seizures. For this reason it is good to be followed by a licensed professional. If you would like to get off your medications then find a doctor who supports you. That is well within your rights as well. There are doctors who support coming off medication. If you all remember Ian Reynir, he often talked about how it took him several tries, but he did find a doctor who supported him in coming off his medication.

This site does not mean to take a personal stance on this issue. The reason for this rule is that no one here besides the person themselves knows a person's full medical history. They are therefor not in a position to make such decisions. We do not mean to say that doctors know everything, but neither do you. The INDIVIDUAL does. As stated above, if someone desires to stop their medication, they have every right to do so. We encourage them to follow the advice of their doctor, and if they don't currently have a doctor who supports this decision, we encourage them to find one.

Cheze2 wrote:

causalset wrote:Are you basically saying something along the lines "yes doctors are wrong, but you have to comply with what they tell you anyway?"

There can be serious side effects from stopping medications cold turkey such as seizures. For this reason it is good to be followed by a licensed professional. If you would like to get off your medications then find a doctor who supports you. That is well within your rights as well. There are doctors who support coming off medication. If you all remember Ian Reynir, he often talked about how it took him several tries, but he did find a doctor who supported him in coming off his medication.

This site does not mean to take a personal stance on this issue. The reason for this rule is that no one here besides the person themselves knows a person's full medical history. They are therefor not in a position to make such decisions. We do not mean to say that doctors know everything, but neither do you. The INDIVIDUAL does. As stated above, if someone desires to stop their medication, they have every right to do so. We encourage them to follow the advice of their doctor, and if they don't currently have a doctor who supports this decision, we encourage them to find one.

Maybe I am not understanding the policy, but my intuition tells me is that the only time people can choose their doctor is when the treatment is voluntary, meaning they are free not to have a doctor at all. On the other hand, when the treatment is involuntary, meaning the state orders for them to be treated, they can no longer choose a doctor: they have to go to whatever place state orders them to go. Take the woman on this video for example, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBJBMXw7-fw Now, one thing you notice is that APART FROM complaining about meds she ALSO complained about not liking the place. So, the fact that she was stuck on that place, instead of finding some other doctor, would tell you that they didn't allow her to find another doctor, and THATS the problem.

Now I understand what you say about withdrawal effects. But in case of someone like that woman that would be lesser of the two evils. That plus also if someone thinks about "water" option BEFORE they get started on medications, they can drink these amounts of water from day 1, and then they won't get any "withdrawal" effects due to starting on water at some later point.

And as far as the concern about water/electrolyte balance, like I said you can either delute electrolyte powder in water, or you can replace water with juice or milk, or you can eat a lot on top of drinking a lot. That is something to ask nutritionist about.

But once again, back to withdrawal issue. If that woman was to think of water BEFORE she was placed on depo injections she would do something like this: so she gets a letter that she has to report for her FIRST depo injection within this month. Then, she would hurry up and find nutritionist and ask him what kind of REGULAR drinking diet she can have that would "flush out" the meds that SHE DIDN"T START YET (so withdrawal concern is out of the picture). Then the nutritionist would design drinking diet for her. And then she would start that drinking diet SIMULTANEOUSLY with her first depo injection.

Devilock wrote:Theres nothing wrong with drinking water to flush out your meds, it can actually work, water has worked for me for a few diff med problems its great to drink. what was in dispute I think is that drinking a sh*toad of water is lethal. I wouldn't drink more than 3 or 4 litres a day. Id drink about 3 if I wanted to flush out meds.

I agree, to , its a stupid rule that says u cant write anything about doing what your dr says. As if drs know everything. THEY DONT. But also, naturopthics and herbalists are BIG BUSINESS too now days. My parents are nutritionist naturopaths and the vitamins are like the pharma drugs, theyre expensive and regulated , I remember a few years back, over ten. THey used to diss anti psychotics and the such, then a big business bought them all out and they started propogating that anti psychotics used 'alongside' vitamins/herbs give u more anti oxidents, so that's why theyre helpful. BS!!!

The problem with what you are saying is that this world isn't perfect. Just because in terms of all the other considerations 3 liters is a better choice, doesn't imply that 3 liters would be enough to flush out your meds, especially if you are given a really strong ones. So perhaps what you should do is go to nutritionist and have the following conversation:

YOU: I am forced to take such and such meds in such and such amounts. How much water should I drink to flush them out?

NUTRITIONIST: Wow, you are being prescbed a lot. If you were prescribed fewer meds I would say 3 liters. But with the amount you are prescribed, nothing less then 10 liters would do. BUT 10 liters is lethal, so don't drink that. Yet 3 liters won't make any change, I really don't know what to suggest.

YOU: Wait a sec, what if I drink 10 liters and delute electrolyte in them so that my water/electrolyte proportion would stay balanced? Or what if I replace water with juice or milk? Or what if I eat a lot in addition to drinking a lot?

NUTRITIONIST: Hmm, sounds like good suggestions. Although I can't tell you right away that they are safe, let me consult other nutritionists and check out some nutrition books.

So something along the lines as in above might lead to some productive solution. ANd who knows, maybe nutritionist WOULD come back with a way of drinking 10 liters of "something" without putting oneself in any kind of danger. At least its worth asking.

causalset wrote:Maybe I am not understanding the policy, but my intuition tells me is that the only time people can choose their doctor is when the treatment is voluntary, meaning they are free not to have a doctor at all.

Perhaps this is different in different areas, but in my area people who are on a CTO can choose their doctor.