Ga school shooting AK-47 2013 "I’m sorry – I’m off my meds,"

Copy_Cat wrote:"I’m sorry – I’m off my meds,"...

This Hill dude was in that crazy state brought on by psych med withdrawal reactions, a crazy state he would not have experienced if he was not drugged in the first place. At least he is alive and can tell his story some day.

I saw a video on youtube made by a kid that brought a gun to school and made threats after getting all messed by anti-depressants and was out of his mind at the time.

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Here is the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2k-75CBXJ8

In my opinion that is what did it. Did you see the video link I posted with the interview with Peirs Morgan? The brother states thing started going down hill with the medication adjustments. I think thats the evidence right there. Not solid as an expert would say but in my world its enough.

I think what we see and is reported is just the tip of the iceburg. I have known people who went on SSRIs, had an intense reaction, but it never was reported anywhere. It went on there records, but often not directly attributed to the drug.


This guy says what I have been trying to say now for some time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Xb29ge ... =endscreen

Copy_cat; you seem to have a lot of resources. Do you know if there is any list where it is made clear for crimes (any type really, it is not so important - school shooting came up here but I think the point would remain the same) whether they were on medications, as well as who were taking them and who were currently not/how long they had not been?

I think it's easy to brush it all off as "psych meds", but I do think there needs to be more of a nuance. I'd really like to see a list with all of the info, not just a select piece of it. I think it would give a fuller view of what society is dealing with and how to best help. Withdrawal from any kind of med (psych med or not), being medicated or not being medicated when needed can all be very difficult things to go through and something that needs to be taken seriously but also shouldn't be used as a complete scapegoat when there are other issues at the base of it that needs addressing and that these people deserve to have help with. I think seeing a fuller picture might better help to help them deal with the underlying causes in the first place, when or if there are any.

lifelongthing wrote:

This is case is perfect example why more needs to be done about human rights violations behind locked doors so people won't avoid going to psychiatry when they are not feeling right.

Would you care to elaborate CC?

Probably the main reason I'd home-school any kids of my own. Tertiary reasons being the education is pathetic and Euro-centric, racist, and completely fictionalized - Columbus didn't discover America. Ask any native-nations member. To say nothing of he didn't actually land in the lower-48 but the Bahamas. And don't even get me started on the inaccuracy of the Mercator maps in use in every classroom. But it's pretty mind-blowing how incredibly wrong they are so I'd suggest googling 'mercator map controversy'

Would comment on the shooting, but what's the point. Our gun-loving psycho culture isn't oging to do anythign abut it. It'll make a brief splash on tv news, survivors will be interviewed, politicians will make speeches, but nothing will change. If a whlle classroom of little kids doesn't get anything changed nothing less horrific than that should be expected to.

HDC, this is from a website I found after reading a bit about the map controversy (very interesting. Eurocentric history lessons is something that bothers us a lot and I've ended up in many a discussion due to this while I was in school)..

It said:

Today, the controversy is mostly dead. Both projections are seen as flawed and have fallen into disuse as more accurate maps have been developed. In classrooms now, you're more likely to see the Robinson Projection or the Winkel Tripel Projection. The Gall-Peters map is still favored by some organizations, though many map publishers don't even produce it anymore. And despite the controversy, the Mercator projection is still one of the most widely used navigational tools in the world.

Read the full text here

Thanks for the tip for reading about this, though not very anti-psych it was very interesting

HesDeltanCaptain wrote:Columbus didn't discover America. Ask any native-nations member. To say nothing of he didn't actually land in the lower-48 but the Bahamas.

I just wanted to point out that I live in the US and I learned that Colombus did not discover America. I'm not sure that all people are learning it this way.

very interesting thing on the maps though. I've definitely seen the one where Greenland and Africa are the same size.

lifelongthing wrote:HDC, this is from a website I found after reading a bit about the map controversy (very interesting. Eurocentric history lessons is something that bothers us a lot and I've ended up in many a discussion due to this while I was in school)..

It said:

Today, the controversy is mostly dead. Both projections are seen as flawed and have fallen into disuse as more accurate maps have been developed. In classrooms now, you're more likely to see the Robinson Projection or the Winkel Tripel Projection. The Gall-Peters map is still favored by some organizations, though many map publishers don't even produce it anymore. And despite the controversy, the Mercator projection is still one of the most widely used navigational tools in the world.

Read the full text here

Thanks for the tip for reading about this, though not very anti-psych it was very interesting

Ya, when writing that I looked it up again to make sure I had the spelling right and read about the mostly dead controversy and Winkel projection. But when I then tried finding the map most like what you'd see from orbit on the shuttle say I saw how many currently used maps there are it doesn't seem there's any good answer to that quesiton.

Greenland-Africa thing sound sliek the Mercator map. I first learne dabout the issue onan episode of "The West Wing" which had a group of cartographers at the White House mentioning the very controversy. Looking into it after it blew my mind.

Timothy Hill, brother of the alleged shooter, told WSB TV (view parts one and two of the interview) that Michael Hill had a long history of mental illness. According to his brother, Hill was placed on Adderall, a drug commonly used to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), at the age of six. He had a history of behavioral problems in school starting at age 13.

Hill’s brother said that Michael Hill had a “long history of medical disorders including bipolar,” but that he was never given help. At one point, Michael Hill was on so many medications that it was “like a drugstore.”

http://www.examiner.com/article/school-shooting-suspect-had-criminal-record-history-of-mental-illness

Hill’s brother said "Medical disorders " While posing as "authorities" on the mind and mental health, psychiatry has no scientific basis to call anything "medical".

"In fourty years, "biological" psychiatry has yet to validate a single psychiatric condition/diagnosis as an abnormality/disease, or as anything neurological, biological, chemically-imbalanced or genetic." —Dr. Fred Baughman Jr., child neurologist, Fellow of the American Academy of Neurology.

Same story over and over, drugging for ADHD at an early age then symptoms of bipolar. Look up the 'side' effects of Adderall then the symptoms of bipolar and find the SAME SYMPTOMS.

Amphetamines starting at age six. Michael Brandon Hill , another life destroyed and turned to hell by the child drugging industry.

Copy_Cat wrote:
Same story over and over, drugging for ADHD at an early age then symptoms of bipolar. Look up the 'side' effects of Adderall then the symptoms of bipolar and find the SAME SYMPTOMS.

Amphetamines starting at age six. Michael Brandon Hill , another life destroyed and turned to hell by the child drugging industry.

According to my primary care doctor, side effects are immediate, and can take a month to come along, at the longest. The kid was put on Adderall at age six, and was reported to have behavioral problems at age thirteen. That's seven years. Now my primary care doctor isn't perfect, so he might be wrong, but if he had behavioral problems, and was diagnosed bi-polar, I think it would have been found earlier. Also, maybe some of them are, but I don't think medical doctors are that stupid, any of them. These people, even psychiatrists, have ten+ years of education after high school. While I don't think every psychiatrist, let alone every medical doctor, is perfect. There's a lot of health knowledge to know, from disorders and medication. So what, someone made a mistake? The medicine might cause some negative effects, but who's to say this kid was ever taking his medicine? Back when I was fourteen, and was on Nexium for my acid reflux, I'd often skip the medication if I feel I didn't need it. I didn't know better. Yeah, I don't skip my Geodone or Lexapro on purpose like I did with the Nexium, but it has some effects on you. The withdrawals of my Geodone are immediate, and they're bi-polar and schizophrenic symptoms, which again, are immediate. But these medications are proven to help people. If they weren't, they wouldn't be prescribed anymore, nor would they be taught in medical schools. I've known plenty of people on Adderall, and they all say it helps them. Not to mention, all medication effects everyone differently. No medicine is perfect. Hell, my Asthma medication sucked when I used it. It never helped me, and quickly after, I got put on a new one and it helped. Who's to say this kid was open with his psychiatrist? I was open as all heck with my psych doctors, and they got me help, and I'm living a much happier life right now than I was before I was put on any medication at all. Again, medicine effects everyone differently. Maybe there are no medications that could have helped this kid, if he even took them, if he was even open with his doctors. Who's to say? I'm sure this kids brother didn't watch him 24/7. He didn't go into his psych appointments, and he couldn't have known, every day, that his brother was taking his medication or not.