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Re: more nurse to patient ratios?

Postby Copy_Cat » Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:21 pm

Rod wrote:If a thing is just plain wrong it makes little sense to say that it can be improved with more of the same. It needs to be scrapped.

If people are misbehaving or dangerously unhappy doesn't it make more sense to examine their situation rather than assume there is something wrong with their brain? If they are not in breach of the law or don't want to be subjected to scrutiny and interference leave them be.


Dude , when I was going to the E.R and getting admitted to psych (due to the effects/withdrawals of the psych meds labelled "my illness") they NEVER even asked me "whats wrong" or examined my situation at all. NOTHING. The chart would get written "speech is rapid" acute _____ ...

Shove more pills at me and pay some clowns to follow me and everyone else around with a clip boards writing down sleep / awake what room Im in and calling that "treatment" for a thousand + $ a day.

And I always kind of expected them to ask me "whats wrong" whats going on with you... it never happened.
I survived psychiatry.
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Re: more nurse to patient ratios?

Postby Rod » Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:28 pm

Exactly. There must be people that think, "Thank goodness, I'll be at the hospital soon and there'll be intelligent doctors and nurses, kind sensible people with experience in seeing what happens to people in the world. Nearly there. Everything can be sorted out".

Instead you get told, "I'm not talking to disease".
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Re: more nurse to patient ratios?

Postby Devilock » Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:45 pm

Rod wrote:I went back to basics and suggested just one idea for the hell of it such as citizen's advice. Stuff like Soteria only exists because there is a notion that there is such a thing as mental illness. Soteria is hardly better than the idea that it would be better if only the psychtroopers had more nurses and more efficient facilities.

It's all rubbish. The whole bloody thing.



I agree with you that there is not such thing as mental illness. Theres no proof scientifically for it and it just dosnt exist. Yet I do believe Soteria house is not all rubbish, I think there are ppl that experience extreme states/mood (probably from trauma and a sick society) and places like soteria from what I've read sounded good to me. Id rather be there than at a facility that is trying to force me with injections, put me on a cto and look down at me. What we need to look at is WHY the person is experiencing these things in the first place, whats happning in your life, have u been thru trauma/abuse? How can we help you with these situations? Do u just want me to sit with u for a while? would u like to talk about it or go for a walk? I think Soteria was a good idea.


Take schizophrenia, supposedly the horror of horrors, the thing that supposedly exists and is used by the psychtroopers to terrify and suborn the public into handing over money. It's garbage. It's a bunch of people who have been bullied and confused into believing in the bizarrely supernatural within a setting where it's OK to believe in the acceptably supernatural. They have been bullied into a confused state by people who use the belief in superstition to hurt people. This is evil.

Everywhere I go I am likely to come across a bunch of schizos rabbiting on about crystals and spirits and effing Echardt Tolle, may that idiot fall over and choke.

And if it's not schizophrenia it's teen suicide that's used to bludgeon us into meekly accepting the supposed need for more government meddling.

Same thing. Bullying or else confused gutless parents insist on instilling a garbage magical world into the minds of their children and then freak out when it seems not to work as their feeble minds might have hoped. They can always find an ancient relative that was mad according to family tradition.

Mental illness only exists for people who believe in magic.



I agree theres no such thing as sschizophrenia and we cant define it because its just a bumch of symptoms and its not a real disease. I don't think any of these labels are real. I have had some thoughts that all these labels are possibly signs of PTSD (not that I believe in that label either) it just seems to me, allot of ppl in the system that ive met, have been abused or been thru trauma, and this is never looked at , they are just labeled and drugged and told they have a disease.

-- Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:16 am --

SOrry I wrote something in the purple box *and* below the box, still learning how to use the /quote function, I just stuffed it up again :)

-- Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:18 am --

And I always kind of expected them to ask me "whats wrong" whats going on with you... it never happened.[/quote]


So did I and my family. When I first went thru a bad trauma, my parents brought me to the 'hostpial' thinking id get 'therapy' and figure out whats wrong, how to deal with the situationa and talk about it.
My parents said to the psychiatrist "well at least she'll get some therapy here"
Psych said "haha you wont get therapy here, just medication"
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Re: more nurse to patient ratios?

Postby 1013 victim » Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:18 am

In America nurses are no more than doctors tools. So, I don't see how or why this would help. We need more whistleblowers within the nursing field.
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