Wanted to share a legal letter to courts

moving may not be the best idea, and let's not forget the forum rule which states that we cannot advise someone to do something against their doctor's order.

Why would moving not be the best idea? They would send out an order for the police to start searching for you, then you would most likely be brought directly to the hospital for medication. This also would not help in the long term with getting off the CTO which is your main objective. They would see this as more "illness from the schizophrenia."

Razael, I know your case was recently reviewed in front of a judge. Perhaps this was a yearly review? It may be that you have to wait until the next one to argue your case. I would also strongly suggest hiring a lawyer, or someone from disability rights to represent you.

When I had a lawyer, for a tribunal which was to decide whether I should stay at the hospital for 6 weeks (becase I ran away one day, got scared of having an mri), my lawyer was absolutely hopeless, I spoke to the lawyer, and told her I had had some depression but I was feeling much better now. So then me and my dad see the lawyer go up to the judge (before the tribunal!) and say 'well she admits she has depression, so whether she has insight into her schizoaffective too we don't know yet' and my dad looks at me and goes "uh, isn't that supposed to be your lawyer?" !!! (as in, wtf is she doing saying that kind of thing in that way to the judge shes not even supposed to speak to yet.) This has happened before too, the hospital lawyer basically does not do anything except dob u in for whatever u say to them, they don't try to defend u, help u get out or help u say u are well, I don't even know why they r there! I still get angry to this day about it.

cheze I haven''t yet had my hearaing although had several with the MHRB review board that is supposed to make discisions about discharge but they just listen to the expert opinion etc and not acknowledge that they don;t know what they are doing to me.

and yeah moving is tricky under the anitpsychotics to get organised plus my parents would dob me in probably so can't tell them where I go....I thought about it but not sure it will help.

yeah Devilock I understand that thing with lawyers being useless for mental health reviews, I haven't had any luck with them either,. Mental health legal center whos funding was cut can't support people not that last time they helped me that much, need a system where the lawyer can take into consideration the entire case instead of just focusing on my risk to go untreated because I threatened suicide to get my parents off my back and some time to recover without them suffocating me and threatening to send or call CAT teams etc so the lawyer asked me about that, the rest was just nonsense that the judge didn't even listen to probably, although the psychiatrist at the board took more notes from what the lawyer said and trypical left my plea unheared, totally useless

so I am going to VCAT which is magistrate level of proceedings, needed to make it clear that treatment puts me at disadvantage to fair trial.

Top Ontario Court Rejects Forced Drugging, Questionable Diagnosis

August 2, 2013

In what a lawyer for the plaintiff characterizes as “a forceful ruling,” Ontario’s Court of Appeal found “no evidence” that a plaintiff ever agreed to medication, or was unable to weigh her concerns about side effects against the proposed benefit of medication. The court also found that the psychiatrist who ordered the involuntary drugging could not justify the decision to re-categorize her psychosis as schizophrenia, and that there was no evidence to support the assertion that without treatment the psychosis would continue.

Read more
http://www.madinamerica.com/2013/08/top-ontario-court-rejects-forced-druggingquestionable-diagnosis/

another letter asking for hearing to be adjourned for extra paperwork I submitted. including this letter I hope is taken into consideration. I talk about the treaamtnment causing ongoing complelx PTSD

Dear Sir/Madam

I wish to adjourn the hearing schedualed for 19September MH9/2013. I am still waiting on an appointment to see a psychiatrist outside Peninsula Health in wish to have my treatment transferred to him. I hope for enough time with him to relay to the best of my incapacitated feelings about my history and where I have been let down by my experience with Peninsula Health. In the hope that he will see that I only really need to address sleep deprivation and that PTSD and nightsweets and other sleep abnormality led to a series of nights without sleep and subsequent deteriouration and abnormal feelings about sleep and death and fearing the crumbling of my sanity untill I get my life in proper order. Or his opinions will be swayed by the report that I explain is biased and illustration of negligence, i go into detail in a submission I am working on.,

I have only just started working with an international advocate: [edited email address](he would appreciate a run down of the hearing process and law about CTO - it is outrageous to international law that it is all up to a psychiatrists opinion and signing a piece of paper and no court ordered involuntary treatments - I am living proof that it is too easy and a lot of unnecessary damage is being done at the whim of such an ill/ignorant profession). He is an expert on international human rights law and is affiliated with a UN lawyer. We are working on further submissions and a narrative from myself about the treatment of Peninsula Health and where the MHRB was mislead by them. If only I was able to rightfully be given informed consent to drug treatment that goes against my beliefs and not a sign of mental illness I am challenged and tormented with that makes the treatments overall encompass torture, cruel and inhuman and subsequently is challenging my existing Complex PTSD revolving around psychiatry. As if a psychiatrist will understand such a dilemma when they are so desensitised to the abuse of involuntary treatments, they infact get confused and make it out to be persecutory delusions yet this only reflects their own ignorance's. This treatment I should mention also plays with my normal moods and behaviour and they are the only real threat to the integrity of my mind, who knows what they are aiming for in treatment, my beliefs agianst psychiatry and the fragmenting nature of treamtents are untreatible. I have reason and insight which is being ignored as to why this is a big deal and I need to be heard, all they come up with is they disagree to the very essence and truth and I want justice. They discriminate me as having a label for what the treatment and forced interaction with these fools with superiority complex's.

I hope their is justice in acknowledging these submisisons to explain as per my desires to bring clarity into the situation for what may find difficulty in fully appreciating my account of treatment and is complex and thus requiring an adjournment I am disadvantaged to vocalise any points in the hearing process without the fragmentation and lack of verbal fluency and confidence from the treatments. The works I will supply soon which were edited by my advocate I hope will suit the style for quality submissions to a court to be taken into consideration by the courts and reasons for needing to find alternative treatment for my own isnights into having a metnal health risk if not taking measures to ensure I don;t get sleep deprived and have a good diet and plus maybe getting back into chi-gung and taoist internal excercises to where I derived my outlook on medicine that peninsula health were challenged in my grounds of refusing my consent to treatment so they made these attributes out to be spiritual delusions and have since lost all grounding and ability to even utilise these tools with the poverty of mind and spirit in living on this treatment. Peninsula health have done all they can to ignore the details that due to treatment is fragmenting my account of the situation regarding my mental health status and not so clear at times from their manipulation and alienation of their refusal to agree with logic surrounding the matter at hand that is distorted in their minds as justified abuse.

I only intended to ask for adjournment, sorry quality is somewhat lacking you can't expect much from a drugged up person - for relevant information in the nature of my response to treatments that is further used against me in torture and torment of them confirming a mental illness, coupled with the effects of the drugs deteriorating cognitive attributes and layers of consciousness, complaints about the drug induced affects on motivation and enthusiasm, and words that I can't find anymore to describe the let down on my overall quality of life and overall Health and mental health - wherever that is mentioned in the mental health act - they have corrupted mine and make ongoing affects of the treatment out to be the illness. My mental health is only challenged by the treating team and forced dangerous and degrading to the mind from drugs.

I have already talked about my religious and spiritual path and how their treatments are a let down of my human rights and needs as a human being. Some things about my development are a distraction if used out of context and developments that might catch me off guard, some aspects of my spirituality ensures that I am not mentally ill that I am capable of transforming my consciousness, I just have a tendency to appreciate other worlds and unless I am sleep deprived this serves only as influence in dealing with Angels and higher being guides that serve my life very well and is ridiculous that this constitutes a medical illness, if only society was more aware - but maybe its not their own fault but a conditioning we as humans soak up like a sponge. These times only fueled into problems from sleep deprivation otherwise I would always have a firm grasp and focus on proper social order and integrity was a main focus as well as outlook and goal setting and dreams all taken away by the treatments that make me unemployable.

Sorry to express so much its part of my nature and the situation of Human Rights abuse being on a CTO and thus far so many failed attempts to complain about the treaatment and where my rights were betrayed and impossible suffering the torment of being indoctrinataed into the philossophies of the medical model imposing on my identity and sense of self, alienation and fragmenting of the mind that is all part of the torture and signs of a complex PTSD, I believe a fragmenting of the self and mind is sympotms of this also - like brainwashing gone wrong. Please see that the psychiatrists are only ignorant and have very poor insight, they are hypocrits on so many grounds. I just hope to meet a good one once I get an appointment with a hopefully objective understanding of what I need to address for my overall mental health with reasons for adjournment of the Sept 19 MH9/2013 hearing.

Sincerely

Maybe "The best defense is a good offense" Generally the idea is that offensive action preoccupies the opposition and ultimately its ability to directly harm.

Starting with the fact that the mental health system got you started on medications, it also has a responsibility to help you terminate or reduce that treatment as safely as possible if that is your choice.

Maybe someone else in here can add to this idea with more stuff.

anyone who reads that can obviously see that you are not 'psychotic', that u do have insight, and yet u just have a different set of beleifs and want alternative treatment. I hope they can see that.

forgot to mention that the complex PTSD threaatens core beliefs through the helplessness of the situation with their torture.

the other letter the advocate is working on shoulld highlight even more of my insight complex PTSD is just illustrating thaata I am worse off overall from the treatmnents and should be taken into considertion when determining the criteria for involuntary status.

psychiatarist find me offensive copy cat, thats why they say I am schizophrenic.

thanks Devilock, you think I sounded alright? It would be twice as long wasn't intending to give them a story to say everything that is on my other submission...hope to clarify the complex PTSD in that as I almost died from unnecessaaray treatments in a hospital also

the latest letter is better then the original by far...at least its something they makke sense of, as especially where I sent the letter don't do intervention orders...and din't get the message clear that treatments fail in my ability to have a fair trial for fluency of speach etc and vocabulary and confidence.