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E. Fuller Torrey and the "Treatment Advocacy Center"

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E. Fuller Torrey and the "Treatment Advocacy Center"

Postby Copy_Cat » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:04 pm

E. Fuller Torrey and the "Treatment Advocacy Center".

Kind of reminds me of this guy from history, Josef Mengele.

Josef Rudolf Mengele , 16 March 1911 – 7 February 1979) was a German SS officer and a physician in the Nazi concentration camp Auschwitz. He earned doctorates in anthropology from Munich University and in medicine from Frankfurt University. He initially gained notoriety for being one of the SS physicians who supervised the selection of arriving transports of prisoners, determining who was to be killed and who was to become a forced laborer, but is far more infamous for performing human experiments on camp inmates, including children, for which Mengele was called the "Angel of Death".

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Dr. Torrey is perhaps the best known proponent in the United States of locking people up and drugging them against their will...


Check out this, http://treatmentadvocacycenter.org/resources/consequences-of-lack-of-treatment/anosognosia/1375-why-individuals-with-severe-psychiatric-disorders-often-do-not-take-their-medications

What's scary is those lies look convincing on paper to people that have never taken these drugs.

This is all wrong, people don't like life as a zombie and the side effects.

Can anyone here in the forum explain this ?
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Re: E. Fuller Torrey and the "Treatment Advocacy Center"

Postby Cheze2 » Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:09 am

This bothers me a lot. I don't feel that people need to focus on their "illness" or the label to determine if they need to take medication. In working with people with a diagnosis of a psychiatric disability, many of them may not know their diagnosis, but just about all of them can identify something in their life that they either are not happy with or may want to change/improve. THAT is what we need to focus on. Screw the label.
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Re: E. Fuller Torrey and the "Treatment Advocacy Center"

Postby Copy_Cat » Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:26 pm

Cheze2 wrote:This bothers me a lot.



It bothers me too. Am I going to far with the comparison to Josef Mengele ?

I think only those who have never been drug raped by psychiatry behind a locked door would protest.

Drug rape happened to me in the name of treatment after starting with psychiatry's gateway drug, the anti-depressants, then ending up on a load of pills and getting all screwed up by side effects and withdrawal reactions. Its always blame the victim when the drugs cause harm in mental health.

The answer to the harm done by psychiatric drugs is always more drugs, never give up...

Say no to psychiatric drug rape. Bodily integrity is a human right !

Our bodies are one of the few things in the world that truly belong to each of us. Indeed, they not only “belong to” us – in a certain sense, they are us. Our body makes up a fundamental element of our personality, identity, and ability to interact with the outside world. Bodily integrity, the right to make one’s own choices about one’s body for oneself, is therefore at the very core of personal freedom. After the right to life, it is the deepest right possessed by any human being.

These "treatment advocacy" people will ask questions like "Don't people with mental illness have the right to get better?"

Define "better". An anhedonic drug haze ain't better. Nueroleptic disability ain't better or there would be no need for psychiatric violence and locked doors to coerce "better".

They say lack of awareness of their illness (anosognosia) is the reason patients refuse the drugs, No its the effects of the drugs. These forced drugging people don't have a clue, they never took the drugs themselves. They suffer the lack of awareness or just don't care, that's for sure.

This treatment advocacy thing isn't aimed at the dangerous psychopath, troubled youth and young adults are the main targets, mostly the ones that have been screwed up by psychiatry already but there families still believe in all the psychiatric fraud. My child has "bipolar" and would be all "better" if they just took there medicine... The medicine that causes withdrawal reactions that makes them worse than ever before 'proving' they 'need' the medication for the rest of there lives. What a scam.
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Re: E. Fuller Torrey and the "Treatment Advocacy Center"

Postby Devilock » Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:27 am

Cheze2 wrote:This bothers me a lot. I don't feel that people need to focus on their "illness" or the label to determine if they need to take medication. In working with people with a diagnosis of a psychiatric disability, many of them may not know their diagnosis, but just about all of them can identify something in their life that they either are not happy with or may want to change/improve. THAT is what we need to focus on. Screw the label.


This is something I really agree with. The trauma model. I definatley think aout 90% of ppl with so called mi , the symptoms they are going thru, are symptoms of some trauma that they have been thru. Accidental trauma, even just talking to ppl in a condescending way is a form of abuse and ppl are human beings, u cannot expect ppl to just be 'ok' after going thru allot of hard times.

I think what is called 'abnormal' behaviours are actually a normal response to stress, trauma and abuse in ppls lifes. That is definitely what happned to me. I think society is to blame for this. For this blaming the victim and sweeiping it under the carpet of perpetrators, I mean I saw so many ppl when I was in 'hosptial' who had abusive parents, but the parents worked hand in hand with psychiatry to drug and exploit their kids while the mental helath proffesionals swept it under the carpet , the fact they were abusing their kids, its so easy to say oh they've been saying tthat to other ppl too, they are delusional. Society needs to look at things like this that are going on and instead of blaming the victim , like the current model does, the biological model, it needs to listen to the victim and, your right cheze, I bet they can identify something in their lives that's not going to well and they might like to talk about or work on by some alternative ways instead of being drugged and locked up and told to shut up about it because thyve got a defective brain, when it is probably a normal response to 1/oppression in society and society gone mad and 2/ stresses and abuse and trauma in their lives. That is so logical to me, but why do ppl continually push this talk of properganda about brain defects, biological phsyciatry (which there is no proof for!) and the fact that they are making a heap of money off blaming the victims! IT is so obvious!!! Just my opinion...
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Re: E. Fuller Torrey and the "Treatment Advocacy Center"

Postby Devilock » Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:44 am

Copy_Cat wrote:
Cheze2 wrote:This bothers me a lot.



It bothers me too. Am I going to far with the comparison to Josef Mengele ?

I think only those who have never been drug raped by psychiatry behind a locked door would protest.

Drug rape happened to me in the name of treatment after starting with psychiatry's gateway drug, the anti-depressants, then ending up on a load of pills and getting all screwed up by side effects and withdrawal reactions. Its always blame the victim when the drugs cause harm in mental health.

The answer to the harm done by psychiatric drugs is always more drugs, never give up...

Say no to psychiatric drug rape. Bodily integrity is a human right !

Our bodies are one of the few things in the world that truly belong to each of us. Indeed, they not only “belong to” us – in a certain sense, they are us. Our body makes up a fundamental element of our personality, identity, and ability to interact with the outside world. Bodily integrity, the right to make one’s own choices about one’s body for oneself, is therefore at the very core of personal freedom. After the right to life, it is the deepest right possessed by any human being.

That's right our bodies 'are us', its hard for me to not get angry and upset when I read things like this because my body, my slim, normal, healthy, and functioning body, has now been changed dramatically, and seriously damaged thanx to a 9 month CTO, I was always slim and always completely healthy, the 2nd time I was on a cto, I got whats called auto immune thyroiditis, and auto immune disease I now have to take medication for for my thyroid. my third cto, after I stopped the medication the 40kgs I put on did not 'drop off' like it had after previous ctos had ceased, i now weigh 87kgs (that's fat!) and I will for the rest of my life because my metabolism has been damaged to the point that I cannot loose weight anymore medically. My dr has told me the only way I could be my size ten (Australian) body again is to have liposuction which costs 30 thousand dollars (so I've started saving up but..things arnt looking good, its a huge amount for me). Also, my periods did not return to me after the meds were ceased, its now been over a year since ive had invegga sustenna the awful drug that did this, and my periods have not returned. I've been told I probably wont have any more children. Of course u cant get pregnant if u don't have a period.
The horrible thing is that every morning when I wake up I am reminded of the torture and abuse and rape by chemicals that I endured, when I look down and see these awful layers of fat on me! This is not me! I think, I didn't eat my way to this im not a fatty! When I look in mirrors and see my fat face, seriously no one even looks at me anymore (guys), it just makes me so angry, why didn't society protect me from this, or my parents? no one protected me from these abusers they just did all this to me like I was a piece of garbage and now im damaged , and no one cares! Yes, body integrity is VERY important to ppl, it gives u a sense of self, a sense of identity , a way of expressing yourself, thru your gestures and the clothes u wear (which I cant wear anymore cause I only fit into fatty clothes), the way u laugh and express yourself is all interwined with body integrity and its one of the worst things about psychiatric abuse, that they think they own your body, How dare they! I think its despicable.

These "treatment advocacy" people will ask questions like "Don't people with mental illness have the right to get better?"

Define "better". An anhedonic drug haze ain't better. Nueroleptic disability ain't better or there would be no need for psychiatric violence and locked doors to coerce "better".

They say lack of awareness of their illness (anosognosia) is the reason patients refuse the drugs, No its the effects of the drugs. These forced drugging people don't have a clue, they never took the drugs themselves. They suffer the lack of awareness or just don't care, that's for sure.

Im discusted after reading that page, anosognosia, there is no such thing, these ppl make me sick, these right wing bastards, the are so stupid, they cant 'think' at all, we know with this guy apparently its not about the money, because he says on his page he disagrees with the pharmaceutical companies paying off ppl and companies, so hes just a stupid little man who wants to round up some ppl that are having life problems and hurt them, no I think your comparison to the Nazi is accurate, its just that ppl don't like to say that anymore they don't 'want' to think society still has bad problems , when it does, allot of stuff still goes on today that most ppl think oh that happened years ago, but that sort of thing dosnt happen anymore. bull####.

This treatment advocacy thing isn't aimed at the dangerous psychopath, troubled youth and young adults are the main targets, mostly the ones that have been screwed up by psychiatry already but there families still believe in all the psychiatric fraud. My child has "bipolar" and would be all "better" if they just took there medicine... The medicine that causes withdrawal reactions that makes them worse than ever before 'proving' they 'need' the medication for the rest of there lives. What a scam.
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Re: E. Fuller Torrey and the "Treatment Advocacy Center"

Postby Copy_Cat » Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:37 pm

I found some good stuff,

TREATMENT ADVOCACY CENTER RESEARCH AND TORREY'S STATEMENTS ABOUT VIOLENCE

D.J. Jaffe and E. Fuller Torrey and other members of TAC (Treatment Advocacy Center) will make up data, lie, and do everything possible to further their dangerous agenda of force and coercion. They ignore the facts as they and other NAMI fanatics pursue their cause to strip away basic human rights. They manipulate the public with op-ed articles that indulge in worst-case-scenario fear mongering... read more link below.

http://www.patrisser.com/family/TACandTorreyLie.html

What drives these people ? help me put here, I don't get it. Guess they never hada taste of there own medicine , that's my guess.
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Re: E. Fuller Torrey and the "Treatment Advocacy Center"

Postby Copy_Cat » Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:34 pm

This is how they think I guess,
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Re: E. Fuller Torrey and the "Treatment Advocacy Center"

Postby WiseMonkey » Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:07 pm

Copy_Cat wrote:This is how they think I guess,


I love the image! Is there any particular website or blog you got it from?
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Re: E. Fuller Torrey and the "Treatment Advocacy Center"

Postby Copy_Cat » Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:02 pm

WiseMonkey wrote:I love the image! Is there any particular website or blog you got it from?


I was searching on google images the term "NAMI human rights" looking for pics to post and came across it. I had to download and edit cause the pic was to big for forum posting.

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Look what I found over at the MIA website, this was a users comment on a thread over there.

“It would probably be difficult to find any American Psychiatrist working with the mentally ill who has not, at a minimum, exaggerated the dangerousness of a mentally ill person’s behavior to obtain a judicial order for commitment.” – E. Fuller Torrey, M.D.

More here: > http://psychrights.org/force_of_law.htm


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Re: E. Fuller Torrey and the "Treatment Advocacy Center"

Postby WiseMonkey » Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:59 am

I can't believe you didn't click on the image and didn't see this website http://www.namidearest.com/ Go ahead and check it out. I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
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