An introduction of sorts

Hi there

I'm not full-on anti-psych, but I do definitely have opinions that are more "anti-psych" than "pro-psych" in a way. I believe we over-medicate, I believe medication is used as a fix-it a lot of the times when talk therapy would be better or it is used as a way to immobilize patients, effectively taking over their rights because of inconvenience in dealing with them and so forth.. This is not to say I don't think psychotropic drugs do any good - I just think we give them out with far too little regard (even for things like long-term effects and the gatherings of these data), I think we medicate (and diagnose) far too young children as well as far too easily with little regard for the brain structural mechanisms, what natural responses are and I think that the process of creating the DSM is at best highly suspect.

I do think psychotropic drugs can do wonders for people and can be a great choice. I think some people need to be sanctioned and I believe it's good we have a system that does that (I've definitely needed it myself before, as well as had sanctions that were - as they took responsibility for - unwarranted and unfounded). I think there's nuance to this and I think psychiatry and well as psychology are important parts of health care.

I think it's more about seeing people for who they are, how they react and what their needs are. There is always a need for a critical eye when there are people who have a lot of power over others and their wellbeing, no matter what the type.

So this is my introduction of sorts. I've been nervous to post here but thought it was about time

Welcome LLT!
We are a diverse group here. some people are highly anti-psych, and some are more middle of the road. There's definitely lots of healthy debate that goes on here, so that's where the fun comes in! There's always new stuff to learn about and to talk about. I hope you enjoy it here as much as I do.

And what do you think of our complaints and protestations ?

Getting into anti psychiatry is what got me on the road to recovery, If I listened to them I would still be doing the same thing that never helped me. "Stabilizing" me with pills only made me want to shake things up by drinking or doing drugs. Psych meds created a state of mind that made self medication with drink, party drug or Rx Adderal desirable, never ever the other way around.

Its a long story that started with and anti depressant cause my original complaint, insomnia, was a "symptom of depression" then lots more pills and diagnoses were added to the mix as I went down the tubes getting worse and worse. I will never be able to properly explain how I didn't see it for so long and kept trying to solve the problem with the problem ! but like everyone else I just needed "the right meds".

Dual diagnosis is one of psychiatry's most dangerous scams with a 90+ % failure rate to prove it.

this made me want to state about using mediation for convenience or soome mythical notion that they are effetive for psychoisis that in most cases will naturally resolve aand resolving is actually very beneficial to overcoming pre-episode deficits, and natural stabalisation of schizophrenics actually makes for more rehospitalisations, anyway I diverged...I was saying about new angle of attack is that psych professianlas in hospital and treatment in the communitay try to indoctrinate us into thier medical model for a person like me this is destroying the very foundation and creation of the universe and religioun, so they stand counter religion and is a rligion in itslef and trying to force indoctrinate their new patients into this model, Is a source of muh problems in funtioning for the person recieveing such an attack and they label the refusal to accept a false docrtrine into symptoms of an illness, this is mostly were they get illness from for me and is against the metnal health act itself here in victoria not to label metnal illness for partaking in or refusing to partake in certain religious, philisophical modes of thinking, and they break their own law in forcing the mediclal model and partaking in their ritual of abuse of pharmakia as part of their religion....at least refusal of this and all of this phssychiatry has to offer is symptoms and where they get insight from in most cases for refusing to bow to their standards...

do you get what I mean, that refusing and being anti-pyschiatry in the moment where they think you are psychotic is gonna be seen as symptoms of psychosis.

something I am working on finding a way to verbalise this crisis of religiouus foundation being indocrrinatied into perceving oneself as ill and needing the drugs or noting that they have a mental illness underneath the effect of the drurgss, refusing it goes against the patient, their ideas might extend to regiouusn beyond the grasp of an over inflated in thinking they are so clever in diagnosisng people and being psychiatrist thinking they are the best thing to happen to the planet and humanity for their agendda of social control..stating the facts to a lieing quack gets deemed schizophrenia too, sometimes it might be difficult process and abundance of relivant points to bring up but this affeect is seen as schizophrenia too and they mistake common function by this process of pleading to their sanity brings ideas out otf the woodwork and relivant pints...they just interrupt to say I am schizophrenic and sets about for false reality to the situation and discrimination of everything meaning its a mentala illness and forcing this doctrine or philosophy in life or counter religious veiw...

they think they are the best.inflated ego's giving the auraa of superiour intelligence where none can actually be found....they don't diserve their credibility and the world is sick for going along with their invention of illness's......I never heard an intelligent thing from one, most just silently put notes that they think you are schizophrenic and dont follow the conversation for a reaason, they are living a lie worshiping the medicall model and treating people as mentally ill for a job

hard to break it down any better at this point in time

paradon me

Hi lifelongthing,

I agree all power should have critical eyes on it, and for me I want that to apply across the board to both psych and alternatives to psych.

Razael wrote:do you get what I mean, that refusing and being anti-pyschiatry in the moment where they think you are psychotic is gonna be seen as symptoms of psychosis.

you've come a long way razael.

wow what a welcome

Welcome LLT!
We are a diverse group here. some people are highly anti-psych, and some are more middle of the road. There's definitely lots of healthy debate that goes on here, so that's where the fun comes in! There's always new stuff to learn about and to talk about. I hope you enjoy it here as much as I do.

I'm happy to hear this I've read here from time to time and just been too shy to write. I will definitely keep reading and hopefully join in on some conversations and discussions

CopyCat: Thank you for sharing your personal story

but like everyone else I just needed "the right meds".

I think many people experience this. When I was in-patient the 2nd time I was prescribed 16 different meds (from painkillers to psychotropics) and was told I could/should take them all every day. 16 different kinds, most were up to 3-5 of each. That's a lot of meds right there. I refused to take anything because I felt it was better to me to handle my anxiety, ocd and flashbacks on my own and with therapy and show myself I was strong enough to walk this road. I'm happy I did this in part because after leaving the program I found out that 3 of the ones I got could've been deadly if taken at the same time. I think it's good for some people to have medication that helps them but I was at a place in my life where I felt willing and able to handle it on my own. It's good to take a good hard look at what you're prescribed too and how they interact with other medication you may take. I'm glad I trusted my instincts.

Dual diagnosis is one of psychiatry's most dangerous scams with a 90+ % failure rate to prove it.

Would you care to elaborate? I have a dual diagnosis but I've mostly had 7 at a time, sometimes up to 11 because of the practice where I'm from to diagnose after each admission (max 30 min talk with a doctor, not a psychologist) to the mental hospital - a place I frequented at certain periods of my life. Thankfully upon getting a capable therapist they would always remove them again and told me to not bother with what they wrote down at the hospital as there is no way to diagnose someone in 30 minutes (of course). I'd love to hear more about your thoughts about dual diagnoses, if you're willing and comfortable.

do you get what I mean, that refusing and being anti-pyschiatry in the moment where they think you are psychotic is gonna be seen as symptoms of psychosis.

this made me want to state about using mediation for convenience or soome mythical notion that they are effetive for psychoisis that in most cases will naturally resolve aand resolving is actually very beneficial to overcoming pre-episode deficits

It was really nice to read what you wrote. I think you're very much right re the issue of psychosis and non-conformity. You also make a good point about naturally resolving the psychosis. I don't know much about the latter though and would like to hear more thoughts/see more literature for this.

I think it's so important to allow people the freedom to think for themselves and have the same opportunities to make up their own minds for a lot of things. What would be accepted in someone else should absolutely be accepted in someone with psychosis or schizophrenia and so forth. Just because I don't share the religious views of my neighbours, doesn't mean I can chalk theirs up to "psychosis" even if I've not heard of it. Same goes for a lot of things. The "box" we try to put people with mental illness into can be very damaging to those that mental illness or not wouldn't be in it. You're very right that They put things down to psychosis just because one disagrees with treatments or views many places. That's highly unfortunate both for society as a whole and especially the individual. There should be a place and help for everyone, and that includes medication in my view when needed if the patient requires it. I think "when needed" needs to be a whole lot more strict than it is in most places.

I agree all power should have critical eyes on it, and for me I want that to apply across the board to both psych and alternatives to psych.

I absolutely agree.

lifelongthing wrote:You're very right that They put things down to psychosis just because one disagrees with treatments or views many places. That's highly unfortunate both for society as a whole and especially the individual. There should be a place and help for everyone, and that includes medication in my view when needed if the patient requires it. I think "when needed" needs to be a whole lot more strict than it is in most places.

It's the blips in the eyes, the layers upon layers of different visuals, and the voices which hold no allegiance to anything particular other than themselves, and whatever collective cause is supposedly happening. The tingles on the surface of the skin like a spark. The heat and the cold, and the stone, and the constant tingles... the nervous system melts, the burning, the seizures... the lame radio like fizzles which I remember as far back as 10 or 15 years... NOW I KNOW!!!

My inner self letting me know moments before a physical movement is about to occur and why!

It's the worst... I admit sometimes the best, however, it is totally deadening to sense of self.

Meditation, is like the LAST THING I EVER THOUGHT OF DOING WITH MY LIFE... I AM 100% ANTI-MEDITATION from as far as I remember.

Meds are no option for me either, not from doctors, although I do believe that patience, and ignorance is the best way to lose a hungry crowd.

lifelongthing wrote:CopyCat: Thank you for sharing your personal story

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

lifelongthing wrote:

Dual diagnosis is one of psychiatry's most dangerous scams with a 90+ % failure rate to prove it.

Would you care to elaborate?

How about when psychiatry gets people addicted and dependent on Klonopin and then turn around and blame the victim with "you are an addict, you have a disease , you were born that way" ?

Here is the real kick ,

Almost everyone who goes to treatment for alcohol or substance abuse gets labeled and drugged within days of there last drink or drug use.

ACUTE AND POST ACUTE WITHDRAWAL REACTIONS FROM DRUGS AND ALCOHOL GET LABELLED AS MENTAL ILLNESS !!

The make the diagnosis during withdrawal !

Post-acute-withdrawal syndrome (PAWS), or the terms post-withdrawal syndrome, protracted withdrawal syndrome, prolonged withdrawal syndromes describe a set of persistent impairments that occur after withdrawal from alcohol, neuroleptics, opiates, benzodiazepines, antidepressants and many other substances.

Symptoms include mood swings resembling an affective disorder, psychosis, anhedonia (the inability to feel pleasure from anything beyond use of the drug), insomnia, extreme drug craving and obsession, anxiety and panic attacks, depression, suicidal ideation and suicide and general cognitive impairment...

Psychiatry knows this but they go ahead and label and start psychiatric drugs during this time anyway.

All psychiatric drugs cause withdrawal reactions, including the antidepressants, stimulants, tranquilizers, antipsychotic drugs and 'mood stabilizers' like Trileptal. Then when the individual’s condition grows markedly worse within days or weeks of stopping the psychiatric drug (cause of side effects or feeling like a zombie) this is almost always due to a withdrawal reaction. However, misinformed doctors and misled parents, teachers and even patients think that this is evidence that the individual 'needs' the drug even more, when in fact he or she needs time to recover from withdrawal effects.

No one ever gets a chance to recover from the original withdrawal reactions with this dual diagnosis scam that keeps everyone dependent on drugs on top of it.

Also like I stated before the zombie effect of psychiatric drugs make people want to use alcohol and "get high" drugs to counter act the zombie feeling from psych meds.

On top of that many people coming of psych meds turn back to alcohol or get high drugs as a bad way dealing with those withdrawals ! and the cycle starts over worse.

On top of that people when relaps wile on psych meds they often have an even worse reaction to drink or there drug of choice.

I'm not entirely sure I understand what you're saying MrOmega - but I take it you feel medication doesn't help in your case? If you're up for answering, what have you found that helps you?

Thank you CopyCat, that was really interesting and you make some really good points.

Obviously I misused the word dual diagnosis and comorbid diagnosis. Thank you for clarifying and I am reading up on it now. On the topic of comorbidity - what are you thoughts on that if you feel like answering?