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Re: Psychiatry's hypomania scam

Postby Cate68 » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:40 pm

PMDD is real, but you are correct in that medicines cannot help. As a woman, I use a calendar, use chammomile and melatonin for a calm sleep, nutrition, excersise, the Gita and the Gayatri Mantra for my PMDD.
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Re: Psychiatry's hypomania scam

Postby Devilock » Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:29 am

Yes, it is real. As in, its a naturally occurring thing that happens to some women at that time of the month. But come on? A mental illness? that's BS.
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Re: Psychiatry's hypomania scam

Postby Cheze2 » Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:37 pm

Devilock wrote:As in, its a naturally occurring thing that happens to some women at that time of the month.

Are you a woman? PMDD does NOT happen to all women. Sure all women may get a little moody, or have an increased appetite or what not before their menstrual cycle. PMDD is completely different. PMDD is like for people who literally lose control for one week each month that coincides with their cycle. People who end up murdering people due to their cycle, or honestly eat 6000 calories a day and cannot stop during their cycle, or suicidal only corresponding during their cycle etc. They are completely different.

I agree that having this in the DSM can cause for over diagnosis and abuse of this very real disorder however. The diagnostic criteria in my opinion is much to vague and does make it seem like it's just a label for every women around the time of their cycle. From personal experience knowing people who do have PMDD, it is a completely different type of thing than just regular woman hormonal issues.
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Re: Psychiatry's hypomania scam

Postby Devilock » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:07 pm

women that murder ppl due to their cycle???

I think if they are murdering ppl, then something is seriously wrong with them!

Btw why arnt criminals all diagnosed as mentally ill? Surely theres something deeply wrong with murder, rape etc enough to amount for a mental illness..

Also, if women *are* having hormonal problems, they should have their hormones treated and re balanced , not put on neurotoxic medicines and seen by psychiatrists.
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Re: Psychiatry's hypomania scam

Postby Devilock » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:41 pm

Cheze, I don't mean to offend, im not an expert on 'pmmd'. From what I have read about it, it *can* be diagnosed as moodiness, anger, emotional extremes etc due to cycle. This is where I think that some women *do* get these symptoms and this is not a mental illness.

Murdering ppl due to their cycle? I'll read up about it for sure.

Definatly, this diagnosis can be overly given out to anyone who the dr thinks is having 'wrong' feelings/thoughts during their cycle. I also think its sexist.
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Re: Psychiatry's hypomania scam

Postby 1013 victim » Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:56 pm

Murdering people because of there cycle. What a joke. I agree with devil on this one. People need to stop lending credence and credibility to the system by allowing themselves to be labelled. At the end of the day, that is what a mental illness diagnosis is a label.
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Re: Psychiatry's hypomania scam

Postby lifelongthing » Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:12 am

I agree that having this in the DSM can cause for over diagnosis and abuse of this very real disorder however. The diagnostic criteria in my opinion is much to vague and does make it seem like it's just a label for every women around the time of their cycle. From personal experience knowing people who do have PMDD, it is a completely different type of thing than just regular woman hormonal issues.

I don't think I've ever met anyone with PMDD personally, but I do think it's a real condition.

I do however think this is a pretty sexist disorder and absolutely one that is far far too vague. Since this is the only thread I've found on PMDD I will post this here.

This is from what was proposed to be in the DSM 5. I don't own the DSM 5 so I am not sure if this is exactly what it says as per now.

A. In most menstrual cycles during the past year, five (or more) of the following symptoms occurred during the final week before the onset of menses, started to improve within a few days after the onset of menses, and were minimal or absent in the week postmenses, with at least one of the symptoms being either (1), (2), (3), or (4):(1) marked affective laibility (e.g., mood swings; feeling suddenly sad or tearful or increased sensitivity to rejection)
(2) marked irritability or anger or increased interpersonal conflicts
(3) markedly depressed mood, feelings of hopelessness, or self-deprecating thoughts
(4) marked anxiety, tension, feelings of being "keyed up" or "on edge"
(5) decreased interest in usual activities (e.g., work, school, friends, hobbies)
(6) subjective sense of difficulty in concentration
(7) lethargy, easy fatigability, or marked lack of energy
(8) marked change in appetite, overeating, or specific food cravings
(9) hypersomnia or insomnia
(10) a subjective sense of being overwhelmed or out of control
(11) other physical symptoms such as breast tenderness or swelling, joint or muscle pain, a sensation of "bloating," weight gain

B. The symptoms are associated with clinically significant distress or interferences with work, school, usual social activities or relationships with others (e.g. avoidance of social activities, decreased productivity and efficiency at work, school or home).

C. The disturbance is not merely an exacerbation of the symptoms of another disorder, such as Major Depressive Disorder, Panic Disorder, Dysthymic Disorder, or a Personality Disorder (although it may be superimposed on any of these disorders).

D. Criteria A, B, and C should be confirmed by prospective daily ratings during at least two symptomatic cycles. (The diagnosis may be made provisionally prior to this confirmation.)

E. The symptoms are not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, a medication or other treatment) or a general medical condition (e.g., hyperthyroidism).

F. In oral contraceptives users, a diagnosis of Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder should not be made unless the premenstrual symptoms are reported to be present, and as severe, when the woman is not taking the oral contraceptive.


This is very vague and I'd venture to say that many women, me included, could have themselves diagnosed by these standards. I do not have PMDD at all. I'm a regular woman who has regular mood swings, albeit with a heightening of certain feelings such as sadness due to in part trauma. I do not act completely out of character nor do I act as my usually composed self. None of this can be deducted from the list. I'm not saying that I do not think PMDD is real, I'm merely saying that using such a vague diagnostic tool hurts everyone, pro or anti psych.
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Re: Psychiatry's hypomania scam

Postby Cheze2 » Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:27 pm

http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/pub ... steal2.pdf
here is a paper that was written on PMS in the courts for those that are interested.

I also stated that the diagnostic criteria was much too vague and does leave the door open for over diagnosis.

Devilock wrote:Also, if women *are* having hormonal problems, they should have their hormones treated and re balanced , not put on neurotoxic medicines and seen by psychiatrists.

I believe that this is the treatment for PMDD. Many however are misdiagnosed with depression or something else and are put on psychiatric medication and do not respond. It is not until a correct diagnosis and hormone therapy is started that they are then able to receive relief.
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Re: Psychiatry's hypomania scam

Postby lifelongthing » Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:46 pm

I also stated that the diagnostic criteria was much too vague and does leave the door open for over diagnosis.

I was simply agreeing with you :)

I am interested in asking though, why is it classified as a mental disorder if the way to fix it is through hormone therapy and the cause is organic? I'm sincerely asking here as I find that a little confusing.
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Re: Psychiatry's hypomania scam

Postby Devilock » Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:05 am

Probably so they psychiatrists can make more money.

Also, the group that make the committee of the DSM, I read somewhere I think in Paula Caplans book 'They call u crazy...', they are all men.
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