what is your opinion of the CCHR?

Devilock wrote:When I m telling ppl about anti psych I don't mention cchr or scientology cause they just start saying oh anti psych, that's all scientology.

How can we change that ?


Anti psychiatry is way way older that scientology ! It was there first with the asylum reformers !

Published on Mar 11, 2012
A documentary for National History Day 2012: Revolution, Reaction, Reform about Dorothea Lynde

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aOGuKzd ... r_embedded

-- Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:57 am --

Just saw the end of the documentary , "the compassion today" what ever.

This documentary got my thinking, none of us that were abused by psychiatry and made sick by its pills are even close to having what was called "mental illness" back then, we are regular people , sitting here playing with computers having rational conversations about the biggest fraud in the history of mankind, modern psychiatry. And how it hurt us.

No no don't say "crazy" its stigmatizing say "mentally ill" , Bullshi^ anti stigma is part of the big scam of modern psychiatry to play with words to make billions selling there pills with fraud.

Classroom behavior problems = mental illness= Ritalin and Risperdal for kids = $ billions for this soulless quack industry that don't care about the long term effects !

Do you know when anti psych origninally started? I know it was over a hundred years ago with that women who handed out leaflets to ppl in the street about what she'd been through.??

The other thing aboujt scientology is I read an article about how they have allot of rehab places to detox off illegal/presc drugs and how there had been a big amount of deaths linked in there rehabs compared to normal ones because they rarely used prescription drugs to help ppl ! I mean if you are withdrawing from drugs u def need the help of maybe anti anxiety or whatever, it is known to cause death.?? I thought that was wrong and I thought it showed anti psych as being compared to some big sceientology stuff that was really wrong and "crazy", the whole scientology stuff makes anti psych look ridiculous.

To change that I think we have to distance outselves from scientology, I know Thomas szas was a scentologist towards the end of his life but he wrote some of the best orginial books on mi that we know of, he set up shop with the scenitologists I don't know why?? But I still like Thomas szas and enjoyed his books.

Mabye if there are other vids or web pages that explain the same thing but from a survivor/patient rather than from scientology it would look a bit more credible? I don't know really....

Thanks for the interview Copy Cat, I know what you mean about the scientology bomb, thats all they got to backthemselves up to validated arguement to the nature of their puffed up and mass scale grandeur symptoms

I actually got a call back from CCHR and was good to have a chat with someone who its easy to talk antipsychiatry to, most people are difficult...I did have a more insightful thing to back up but think of the power of scientology as the churches are powerful in so many repsects in this day and age we need an opposing thought, and maybe scientology foundation is based on fairly solid stuff for a psychotic, meaning oaltered states of consciousness is behind founding reliegiouns and what it teaches no matter how radical, so we got a brother in what you can achieve if let to be with nature and recover from visionary states....

I don;t mind asking for help coz I desperate, so what if scientology and select few like thomas szasz really needd to step up and do something about the atroccity of psychiatry.maybe deep down pschiatry are scared of scientology because of citizens commision of human rights powerful arguemnet and clarity on the subject...its the same subject and they want to create a problem for the objective and rational mind in opposition to the dumbed down and acception of a reality that is unrealtiy of the tar pit of the quacks and drug industry..

Thank cchr for uncovering financial ties to drug industry and extent of their freedom of information stuff revealing the truth about the so called science and conflicts of interest in FDA and research paper ghostwriting and funding for their teaching gullible professionals

Copy_Cat wrote:
I guess the psychiatric industry's public relations people are getting the lie out, anti psychiatry is scientology because they can't find a damb thing on the CCHR site that not true and just debunk it !

At least I never have.

I don't 'drop the scientology bomb' and claim all anti-psych = scientology, because it's not true. On the other hand, if you're promoting the CCHR stuff then it is true that you're promoting an organisation that's created and motivated by Scientology.

Are there 'errors' on the CCHR website? Yes.

They often claim all psych meds are no more effective than placebo. That's a convenient 'error' to make.

Oddly enough, the CCHR doesn't seem to talk about the side effects etc of the physical and drug treatment used by a different Scientology front group for 'treating' substance misuse.

I find that really weird, given they're so hot on informed consent.

As I said, I don't claim all anti-psych = scientology, because it's not true. But if you're promoting the CCHR, then you're promoting one of Scientology's front groups.

In regards to the Scientology thing and CCHR, I think it needs to be treated any other way that we would treat groups like NAMI or other groups that are supported by pharmaceutical industries. There is obviously an underlying motive for what they have to say, and to keep that in mind when reading the site.

charter wrote:They often claim all psych meds are no more effective than placebo. That's a convenient 'error' to make.

Where does it say "all" ?

Anyway ,

Published on Feb 29, 2012 A "60 Minutes" segment from February 19, 2012. The use of antidepressants results in the invocation of placebo effect. How the FDA test results are manipulated by the pharmaceutical companies and are therefore totally misleading. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDAf8GtUr7Q


'Error' not really , Watch video. Many non cchr people are saying this.

-- Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:20 pm --

Cheze2 wrote:In regards to the Scientology thing and CCHR, I think it needs to be treated any other way that we would treat groups like NAMI or other groups that are supported by pharmaceutical industries. There is obviously an underlying motive for what they have to say, and to keep that in mind when reading the site.

Just for fun here is CCHRs front group report !!!

Rather, these groups—while raking in millions of Pharma dollars each year—frenetically lobby Congress and state governments to channel billions more taxpayers dollars into mental health programs that benefit the industry that funds them — not the patients they claim to represent. Among the issues these groups have supported include forced drugging of patients, endorsement and promotion of psychiatric drugs documented to be dangerous and lethal, mental health screening of all school children, drugging and electroshock treatment for pregnant women. And that is just the tip of the iceberg. These groups have also done all they can to suppress and/or minimize any workable alternative non-drug method (e.g. Soteria House a proven and workable non-drug treatment for those diagnosed “schizophrenic”/psychotic) that threaten their multi-billion dollar psycho-pharmaceutical empire.

It is for this reason, and the disingenuous nature of many of these groups, that we are exposing their conflicts of interests because a patients’ rights group should be dedicated to patients—not the vested interests of the psycho/pharmaceutical industry. Big Pharma admits it gets more bang for its buck from funding these front groups than it does from spending on direct-to-consumer marketing

And a whole lot more !

http://www.cchrint.org/psycho-pharmaceutical-front-groups/

Devilock wrote:Do you know when anti psych origninally started? I know it was over a hundred years ago with that women who handed out leaflets to ppl in the street about what she'd been through.??

The other thing aboujt scientology is I read an article about how they have allot of rehab places to detox off illegal/presc drugs and how there had been a big amount of deaths linked in there rehabs compared to normal ones because they rarely used prescription drugs to help ppl ! I mean if you are withdrawing from drugs u def need the help of maybe anti anxiety or whatever, it is known to cause death.?? I thought that was wrong and I thought it showed anti psych as being compared to some big sceientology stuff that was really wrong and "crazy", the whole scientology stuff makes anti psych look ridiculous.

To change that I think we have to distance outselves from scientology, I know Thomas szas was a scentologist towards the end of his life but he wrote some of the best orginial books on mi that we know of, he set up shop with the scenitologists I don't know why?? But I still like Thomas szas and enjoyed his books.

Mabye if there are other vids or web pages that explain the same thing but from a survivor/patient rather than from scientology it would look a bit more credible? I don't know really....

Good points, but I think it important to keep in mind that Thomas Szasz was never a Scientologist.

Devilock wrote:The other thing aboujt scientology is I read an article about how they have allot of rehab places to detox off illegal/presc drugs and how there had been a big amount of deaths linked in there rehabs compared to normal ones because they rarely used prescription drugs to help ppl ! I mean if you are withdrawing from drugs u def need the help of maybe anti anxiety or whatever, it is known to cause death.??

People sneak in drugs and die in rehab all the time.

I have a friend that went to one of these places, before I comment further I will ask if the place was nice or abusive. He did watch the marketing of madness in there as part of his treatment, he told me that much.

Copy_Cat wrote:
Published on Feb 29, 2012 A "60 Minutes" segment from February 19, 2012. The use of antidepressants results in the invocation of placebo effect. How the FDA test results are manipulated by the pharmaceutical companies and are therefore totally misleading. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDAf8GtUr7Q

'Error' not really , Watch video. Many non cchr people are saying this.

It's a complicated story, but as I understand it it goes like this: career anti-antidepressant psychologist Irving Kirsch got the Big Pharma data from the FDA, put the data into a meta-analysis and _still_ found that antidepressants outperformed placebo. I'm happy to debate Kirsch's view of antidepressants if you want.