How We Make Ourselves Happy

Copy Cat, in reply to yours of July 12, 11:15pm: Unless we specify who and when in replying to individuals I believe it will be impossible to have coherent conversations in this topic.

Already you've replied here 3 times. I feel like I'm getting to know you. I still don't know whether you are trying the breathing practices I suggested in the reply inviting you to post in this topic. Are you trying them, and if not, your reasons for not doing so?

I believe we have a basic disagreement. Discussing it here might be useful, both for you and me, and for some readers. In your posts, you have stated and stuck with a position that this topic does not belong in Anti-Psych. Whoa, Rusty. All you know is that Copy Cat stated the purpose of Anti-Psych Forums quite correctly, and that she has avoided the personal and individual in her other replies. Is it your belief, Copy Cat, that "How We Make Ourselves Happy" belongs elsewhere? Do you believe the personal and individual should not appear in Psych Forums or Anti-Psychiatry

A basic idea of Psych Forums, perhaps not stated, is that thinking of people, and people thinking of themselves, as diagnoses is useful. The premise is that such thinking does result in patients feeling better, improving, getting rid of the problems that brought them to Psych Forums and to psychiatry.

I believe the reverse, that all of us thinking of ourselves as distinct, unique individuals, unlike in many, perhaps most respects, than anyone else is far more helpful. Do you or other readers agree, disagree? Are any ofyou willing to write about your personal individual selves here?

charter wrote:I'm interested in your views of people who think all conventional medicine for _physical_ conditions is a fraud or a scam.

Do you agree with them or disagree with them?

I disagree with them,

See quick video "The Difference Between a Medical Disease & a Psychiatric Disorder".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JQ8OVHVWA

Rusty9 wrote: I still don't know whether you are trying the breathing practices I suggested in the reply inviting you to post in this topic. Are you trying them, and if not, your reasons for not doing so?

There is nothing wrong with my breathing, I did stop and take a few breaths before replying here and I guess the little time out was useful.

I remember bugging out at the hospital once back in the days when I was going there cause of psych med "side" effect induced panic attacks and was told to try taking some deep breaths.

That when I discovered getting angry can push away an anxiety attack, I said to the person who asked "have I tried some deep breaths" And asked do you really think I drove all the way to the hospital in this state with out trying that ? You think I never heard that before ?

I think this was the same one who thought a blood pressure machine is an anxiety detector and if your pressure and pulse is not over like 300 "your fine" and not really feeling anxiety at all.

charter, in reply to yours of 7/13 at 11:23am: I disagree with them. I personally know no one, of no one, nor have I read any replies on the internet that take that position. Where did you get the idea there were such people? Were you just setting up a straw man?

You lump physical medicine, psychology and psychiatry all together. And ask whether readers think conventional medicine is a scam.

I use physical medicine, believe it is not a scam and have many other opinions about individuals practicing medicine. There is good evidence physical medicine works.

Reliable evidence shows that psychiatry as practiced in this country does not work. World Health connected with the United Nations has published studies demonstrating clearly that patients getting no treatment do better, stay employed, live more normal lives than those in this country who receive psychiatric treatment.

Whether that makes it a "scam" depends on word choice. Many people believe and report they benefit from psychiatric treatment and the psychiatric medications they take. Going from feeling miserable to feeling less in general is a big improvement. Many patients ignore or don't know about the downside of taking psychiatric medications Even some who do know the risks and side effects, believe the relief of feeling less in general and less miserable makes taking the risks and getting the downside (side effects) worthwhile.

I hope to read your reply to the above here, charter. Do you agree or disagree with what I wrote? Which parts, and your reasons for agreement or disagreement would be informative for me and other readers, including Copy Cat.

Ah, copy cat. A bit of history may be helpful, but first I'll reply to yours of 7/13 at 3:37 pm. I never said anything was wrong with your breathing. You leaped to that conclusion, in part because you are still suffering from what you wondered the DSM had a term for.

I agree that getting angry and feeling all the physical and mental symptoms that come with it can push away an anxiety attack. You leaped to a conclusion in that paragraph too. A question is simply a question, and is no indication of what someone thinks. It does indicate interest and often a lack of information as to what the answer might be.

You are very angry at psychiatric practitioners and you let this one, perhaps a number of others, know it, probably in no uncertain terms.

I continue trying to not waste energy and strength on anger, using the breathing practices I suggested to you. Don't always succeed, but the practices also work well in my making myself happy---the title of this topic.

I'll not risk making you angry by asking questions. Instead, I'll await your reply as a number of viewers are likely to do as well.

Copy_Cat wrote:

charter wrote:I'm interested in your views of people who think all conventional medicine for _physical_ conditions is a fraud or a scam.

Do you agree with them or disagree with them?

I disagree with them,

See quick video "The Difference Between a Medical Disease & a Psychiatric Disorder".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JQ8OVHVWA

I'm glad you're not campaigning against conventional medicine.

But, for example, what about migraines? No blood test, and as far as I know no lab test at all for migraines, except patient self-report. Are migraines a scam?

Obviously, I don't think migraines are a scam (and I presume you don't either), but I'm interested why you're not including migraines in your campaign.

Rusty9 wrote:charter, in reply to yours of 7/13 at 11:23am: I disagree with them. I personally know no one, of no one, nor have I read any replies on the internet that take that position. Where did you get the idea there were such people? Were you just setting up a straw man?

Hi Rusty9, no, I try to avoid setting up straw people. There are some alt-med practitioners who think physical medicine is a scam, with dangerous repercussions.

Rusty9 wrote:I use physical medicine, believe it is not a scam and have many other opinions about individuals practicing medicine. There is good evidence physical medicine works.

I agree with the above.

Rusty9 wrote:Reliable evidence shows that psychiatry as practiced in this country does not work. World Health connected with the United Nations has published studies demonstrating clearly that patients getting no treatment do better, stay employed, live more normal lives than those in this country who receive psychiatric treatment.

I'd be interested in a link to those studies. If those are the studies comparing developing countries with industrialised countries, I think (as I said to Copy_Cat) nobody has shown that the difference in outcome is due to psychiatry (or the lack of it). If I'm wrong, I'd be interested to know.

Rusty9 wrote:Whether that makes it a "scam" depends on word choice. Many people believe and report they benefit from psychiatric treatment and the psychiatric medications they take. Going from feeling miserable to feeling less in general is a big improvement. Many patients ignore or don't know about the downside of taking psychiatric medications Even some who do know the risks and side effects, believe the relief of feeling less in general and less miserable makes taking the risks and getting the downside (side effects) worthwhile.

I'm not sure if I quite understand what you mean by "feeling in less general". I think I would say that some people choose to take meds because they feel better and do better on meds, and that outweighs the side effects (if there are any).

Its a very different story these days over what makes me happy, since antipsychotic and psychiatry is cannabis makes me happy......thats about it, and herbs from the ayurveda makes me happy......

I used to be into toaist yoga excercises and meditation, candle meditation mainly made me happy and I did chi-gung that made me happy...play the guitar and viola making my own music as therapy.

I almost forget all the good things in my life since antipsychotic its disaster and the quacks just insist that I am out of practicce or nothing stopping me but the drugs are definately stopping me from daily routine and excercise I used to find enjoyable.



thinking about what I know about psychiatry, this doesn't make me happy but I am dealing with it better since on ayurvedic herbs...like knowing what they think about me, I am challenging the fabric of their convictions, this used to cause trouble but now I am ok with it since it doesn't upset me or I don''t find myself believing it like I am supposed to, its brainwashing, I have a telepathic response to dealing with mental health professionals

really need to get out of it to be happy

-- Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:10 pm --

sleeping makes me happy so does being horny lol...but that isn;t the case much since antipsychotic let down, I used to be happy vivbration of a good aura attracting the ladies and feeling good vibes of high vibration love, but not anymore since antipsychotics. like without it I have excess energy that needs to be chanelled, I am good and transmuting the mind to quite and self mastrery attained through observation of the breath it becomes easy to stay happy and peacefull mind

charter: in reply to yours of 7/13 at 11:26pm. Those of us who have experienced taking psychiatric medications and have gotten off them need no further evidence as to the effects of those medications. Most of us, I believe, are a bit incredible that any one could write, as you do: "the side effects (if there are any)."

The numerous reports by individuals in Anti-Psych Forum of their experiences with Psych meds in itself constitutes a substantial bit of evidence making your (if there are any) the statement of someone who may have a vested interest in more and more psych medications being dispensed. Do you? Is part or much of your income derived from dispensing psych meds? Do you own stock in the drug companies?

I do not plan to read your 55 posts to evaluate your credibility. You may be one of the many trying to sell self-published books in various websites. If so, I'll offer a lesson for any who self-publish books, say, with Amazon. Don't self-publish unless you are willing to lose money in order to be published. If no publisher will pay you for the right to publish your book, that almost certainly means it not worth publishing.

I need to write another general reply continuing that of 7/13 at 3:15pm, then reply to Razael, then see if I can offer a useful suggestion to one of the many replying under various diagnoses.

Rusty9 wrote:The numerous reports by individuals in Anti-Psych Forum of their experiences with Psych meds in itself constitutes a substantial bit of evidence making your (if there are any) the statement of someone who may have a vested interest in more and more psych medications being dispensed. Do you? Is part or much of your income derived from dispensing psych meds? Do you own stock in the drug companies?

Hi, I can see now there is an ambiguity in what I wrote, which was not intended. I did not mean to imply side effects don't exist. They obviously do. I know that from my own experience, as well of course as others' experience, here and elsewhere. (I was trying just to clarify that side effects aren't 100% inevitable for all meds, for everyone. I can see I should have worded it better).

And no, I've got nothing to sell. I'm a service user, that's all.

Thanks for picking me up on that ambiguity in my post, it was unintended.