Injection threats inpatient , call the bluff ?

Call someone's bluff, to expose a person's deception; challenge someone to carry out a threat...


So many people reject psychiatry's brain disabling treatments inpatient that it has become the norm to make threats of injection to coerce them, sometimes before the patient (prisoner actually) even shows any intent to refuse "medications".

I think its a bluff most of the time.

What does this forum think about how to handle this injection threat situation ?


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seems that its a sticky situation and maybe playing the game is the only option...the ignorant quacks will never wake up...

injectibles is a real threat to anyone who doesn't like it and so is community treatment orders, but these are real threats not just bluff...wish they were bluffs.

don't know how to deal with it, can't really beat them in any games coz they make the rules and disregard everything you say as being from the mental patient and not valid to even consider, they just disagree.

Razael wrote:seems that its a sticky situation and maybe playing the game is the only option...the ignorant quacks will never wake up...

injectibles is a real threat to anyone who doesn't like it and so is community treatment orders, but these are real threats not just bluff...wish they were bluffs.

don't know how to deal with it, can't really beat them in any games coz they make the rules and disregard everything you say as being from the mental patient and not valid to even consider, they just disagree.

I handled it wrong with my bluff calling, my reaction to this threat was of course outrage and fear leading them to write "speech is rapid" on my chart with no reference to a situation that would cause rapid speech to almost anyone in that situation.

It would have been better to very calmly ask "Did you just say your going to drug rape me, what's wrong with you ? " followed by some comments about what a violent barbaric act that would be and my opinion about people who would do such a thing.

Or maybe ask for some medical tests that prove I needed there medication and open that door ?

-- Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:15 pm --

If anyone gets this threat don't take it too personal, stay calm and remember they use it a lot cause so many people reject there brain disabling treatments.

I'm going to try find some stuff online written by psychiatry about coercion methods.

If you have stated plainly from the beginning and regularly thereafter that you do not consent to detention and forced mistreatment you may have a natural right to do whatever it might take to protect yourself from assault.

You could tell a person that if they attempt to drug you, you will defend yourself. They usually then say, "You are gonna have it even if we have to get security". You then insist that they do so. If they say that's silly remind them as per para 1.

You could tell them that once security have left that you are going to deliver the injector such a slap across the face that they won't be fit for duty for a week. If they accuse you of making threats remind them again as per para 1 and ask them if they are stupid as well as assaultive and dishonest.

You could suggest that once security has left that the injector should go off duty and not return until you have been discharged. Or that once injected you must be locked apart.

It depends on the situation and you have to figure out what your situation is and what you want. You need to be very clear to yourself so that you have the strength to maintain a consistent position. Especially so since you know that if you are drugged you may be in danger of losing your resolve.

Rod wrote: If you have stated plainly from the beginning and regularly thereafter that you do not consent to detention and forced mistreatment you may have a natural right to do whatever it might take to protect yourself from assault...

I agree with the whole post Rod,

[mod edit] I told them this with the "rapid speech" that was charted as a "symptom of the illness" I was accused of. I also said I would be vandalizing there property when it was all over just in case they thought I was bluffing with the "I'll see you on the street" thing.

I was not behaving like this AT ALL, NOT ONE LITTLE BIT before the injection threat came my way on the morning of third day for exercising my human right to refuse the ton of anti psychotics including Haldol and the so called 'mood stablizer' Trileptal and there negative effects on MY body...I just told the nurse "no thanks I don't want those" no big deal it seemed.

I don't think my threats of retaliation prevented the chemical rape injection. I don't know exactly what did. It was a nightmare cause I had to refuse the amount of pills they were ordering , it was too scary, to unpleasant and dangerous to take all those in one swallow or that many in a day. Calling the bluff was the safer option or a better bet to avoid harm.

What a nightmare the whole thing was.

I am now true believer in the human rights movement against psychiatry . Psychiatry is a disgusting barbaric dirty fraudulent unethical crime against humanity.

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This would likely depend on whether or not the "patient" was on a compulsory "community treatment" order or attempting to prevent further likely detention and mistreatment.[mod edit]

You know ahead of time that the subject of your attention ie the particular psych worker or false witness is a liar. So you need to anticipate the likely scope of their reactions and lies.

If they have described you as a highly functioning psychotic they have done so so that they can differentially diagnose you as a criminal psychopath if it suits them. So again you need to be very clear and very careful lest you might be falsely convicted and spend years in regular prison.

You need to plan and anticipate very carefully including being prepared to give a rational account of every little thing you have done. You might need to make use of video and voice recording and arrange genuine alibis ahead of particular times. Try to conduct yourself so that you never have to lie to a defense lawyer or magistrate.

Be aware that a magistrate will tolerate a certain amount of lying from police and shrinks and may still find against you.

Rod wrote: [mod edit]

We are even. They made chemical rape threats and I made threats right back at them. This place was exceptionally abusive with many sadistic staff and a horrible doctor. These types of people are attracted to occupations where they have power over others. They like a position where there are no witnesses, in a setting where these psychopaths have almost unquestionable credibility. Once the victims are thrown into this scenario, these psychopaths feel free to inflict any means of torture and abuse they want until they get their psychological "high". That's what this hospital staff was about.

When it was all over and I was still hot with anger I seriously thought of going to a spy shop or odering online one or two of those Mini DVR Key Chain Micro Cameras and finding a friend to bring them to me on a visit after getting myself readmitted to this abusive hellhole hospital by drinking a large amount of vodka and going to that same E.R all screwed up drunk.

I know if I caught the very same abuses on camera I saw the first time in this place they would go sub-viral on youtube, the t.v news might be interested and the victim(s) of this abuse would win a lot of money in court. If I had an accomplice in the hospital who egged on a staff assault by quitely just telling off one of these sadistic freaks or disobeying one of there orders in a rude manner and then catching the staffs illegal actions on camera we could both make some serious cash.

The most common advice to people seeking revenge is "hit them in the pocketbook", that makes sense to me.

Rod wrote:You could tell a person that if they attempt to drug you, you will defend yourself. They usually then say, "You are gonna have it even if we have to get security". You then insist that they do so. If they say that's silly remind them as per para 1.

Don't forget that just because you are inpatient, that doesn't mean that legal charges could still be pressed against you if you were violent towards others, even if you warned them.

Just as a general reminder, we do not promote violence towards others on this site. I like copy_cat's idea of hitting them in the pocket book.

Copy_Cat wrote:I'm going to try find some stuff online written by psychiatry about coercion methods.

Our previous research has focussed on how to reduce of conflict and containment on
acute wards. By conflict we mean those things that threaten patient and staff safety,
such as aggression, rule breaking, drug/alcohol use, absconding, medication refusal,
self-harm/suicide etc. By containment we mean those things the staff do to prevent
these things occurring, or reduce the amount of harm that occurs, such as giving extra
medication, intermittent observation, constant observation, show of force, manual
restraint, coerced injections of medication, seclusion, time out, locking of the ward
door, and other security policies.

Inpatient violence and aggression: a literature review

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/iop/depts/hspr/research/ciemh/mhn/projects/litreview/LitRevAgg.pdf

Its a cold and sterile thing to read with numbers and graphs, just like the soulless pseudoscience of psychiatry.

Best read wile listening to Metallica's "Sanitarium" on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6d_zflHbE4

It seems that the use of phraseology such as:

encounter
whatever it takes
all may be fair

might render a person liable to prosecution.