-WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY.....?-

When I had worked for a top mental health rehabilitation facility in northern NJ, USA. (The real human beings at this facility that were supposedly being helped rated this facility as a top notch mental health facility. They were comparing this facility with the other mental health facilities in the area, and as I realized later they were correct in their opinion....)
Now as I gained the real trust of these real human beings over time they let me see and hear their real honest opinions on a lot of subjects that were totally different from the fantasy world they gave everybody else in order to survive with mental illness and or some other disability etc...
The above is very important because in a large facility type of setting, everyday life is different than -YOU- will deal with as somebody that lives by themselves and or with their families etc...

-SUICIDE- was on everybodies mind one way or another, everyday, day and day out etc.... Now these real human beings had my deep respect because they lived with mental illness etc. and or some other disability etc., everyday living moment. GUILT was the main reason that they fought any thoughts of -Suicide-, a GUILT TRIP by family and or friends and or caregivers and or supposed mental health professionals etc...

The realization of years of years of false hope and years of pain and suffering etc., finally wears any human being down and -Suicide- looks as the only solution left. Now this is a no win argument and or discussion etc., and this is one of the reasons just about nobody talks about -Suicide- in any form other than a guilt trip and or more drugs etc. to dull the voices in your head...

-Suicide- can be in many different forms, Passive and or Active etc.., so when you hear about a drug overdose and or alcohol overdose etc. and or not eating and or not taking your meds to stay alive etc... You can figure that many of these real human beings just gave up and allowed death to be the answer to their pain and suffering and false hope....

THE ABOVE IS A MATTER OF MY OWN OPINION AND I DO NOT HAVE ANY COLLEGE DEGREE IN THE ABOVE, SO PLEASE JUST THINK ABOUT WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN AND DO NOT PICK -SUICIDE- AS YOUR ANSWER AND THEN BLAME ME FOR TALKING ABOUT A SUBJECT THAT NOBODY TALKS ABOUT....

Ps, if the reaction to the above opinion is reasonable, then I will talk in a future post about how just about anybody can be spotted and stop them from committing -Suicide-. We did this at the mental health facility for almost two years as support staff etc., no active and or passive suicides as far as we could see and or hear about.... Just imagine if we could help all the MILITARY VETERANS that are picking suicide as the answer, just have an open mind.....

Suicide is the scary word psychiatry uses to scare people and force them to accept there treatments but the sad irony is psychiatric treatments are a leading cause of suicide.


Do a google search like "psychiatric meds prevent suicide"

There is not one study that proves psych meds prevent suicide, not one besides this retracted one that's quoted alot anyway.

Authors retract paper claiming antidepressants prevent suicide http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/2012/03/19/author-retracts-paper-claiming-antidepressants-prevent-suicide/

Suicide is one of the favorites for those selling sickness marketeers working for the pharma psych industry yet what they are selling has never been proven to prevent it, only to cause it.

Copy_Cat wrote:Suicide is the scary word psychiatry uses to scare people and force them to accept there treatments but the sad irony is psychiatric treatments are a leading cause of suicide.

I would like to see where you found this information. To use your words Copy_Cat, "Prove it."

Copy_Cat wrote:Suicide is one of the favorites for those selling sickness marketeers working for the pharma psych industry yet what they are selling has never been proven to prevent it, only to cause it.

While psychiatric medication may not prevent suicide, in some people it can help reduce the emotional distress so that they are then further able to progress in their recovery. I know that this is true in my situation.

In my opinion you are correct, 2 of the biggest challenges people face is loneliness and lack of respect. Any patient who receives genuine respect regardless of actions or situations gets better. I am a firm believer that most mental illnesses are caused by chronic psychological pain. Any body abused or suffering enough will eventually become suicidal. I know that when patients are mistreated or are not feeling understood they become worse. Pills do nothing to give love or comfort. Nearly all patients both inpatient and outpatient have a history of psychological trauma, many repeatedly relapse, and many,many find the system either uncaring or abusive.

Treatments certainly need to be overhauled, but respecting the individual person needs to happen as well.

One thing I know that helps these people is finding them a positive support system. A system where they feel valued, respected and a member of society. Bigger than this is knowing they have a friend who cares about them rather than one who is fake or the judge of all their sins. For many people with mental difficulties and even many average people feel like their voice is worthless. Many people want to help others and be a part of something but dont know how or are afraid to for many reasons. Having a caring person their makes all the difference in the world.

I am very curious about their opinions of other treatment centers/hospitals. I do know that most places are a complete joke.

Cheze2 wrote:I would like to see where you found this information. To use your words Copy_Cat, "Prove it."

"The selling of bipolar disorder stresses that the disorder takes a fearsome toll of suicides...Yet, the best available evidence shows that unmedicated patients with bipolar disorder do not have a higher risk of suicide.

Storosum and colleagues analyzed all placebo-controlled, double-blind, randomized trials of mood stabilizers for the prevention of manic/depressive episode that were part of a registration dossier submitted to the regulatory authority of the Netherlands, the Medicines Evaluation Board, between 1997 and 2003 [28]. They found four such prophylaxis trials. They compared suicide risk in patients on placebo compared with patients on active medication. Two suicides (493/100,000 person- years of exposure) and eight suicide attempts (1,969/100,000 person-years of exposure) occurred in the group given an active drug (943 patients), but no suicides and two suicide attempts (1,467/100,000 person-years of exposure) occurred in the placebo group (418 patients). Based on these absolute numbers from these four trials, I have calculated (see Figure S1 showing calculation, and see Figure 2) that active agents are most likely to be associated with a 2.22 times greater risk of suicidal acts than placebo (95% CI 0.5, 10.00). "

Source: http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/inf ... ed.0030185

This website is a collection of 4,800+ news stories with the full media article available, mainly criminal in nature, that have appeared in the media (newspapers, TV, scientific journals) or that were part of FDA testimony in either 1991, 2004 or 2006, in which antidepressants are mentioned.

www.ssristories.com

-Riccola- you comment is excellent and right on the mark, that is part of the answer to human beings with mental illness etc. being helped and or cured. We saw this happen at the mental health rehabilitation facility in northern NJ, USA... Nobody and I mean nobody was interested in any help and or cure or anything for that matter, WHY, Why, why, we never could figure why nobody was interested....???

Ps, name a good facility and or hospital etc... the answer is blowing in the wind.....

KINDNESSTHERAPY wrote:-Riccola- you comment is excellent and right on the mark, that is part of the answer to human beings with mental illness etc. being helped and or cured. We saw this happen at the mental health rehabilitation facility in northern NJ, USA... Nobody and I mean nobody was interested in any help and or cure or anything for that matter, WHY, Why, why, we never could figure why nobody was interested....???

Ps, name a good facility and or hospital etc... the answer is blowing in the wind.....

I believe it is the biggest answer by far. I do believe a few were interested, but I know for a fact that many health professionals simply cant grasp it as a result of the beliefs they were taught. Unfortunately, and this is more of a guess, but Ive seen enough that solidly confirms my theory that our current system of care is deeply rooted in mass profiting of human suffering.

Pills are what make the most money, yet do nothing to solve the core of the problem. Large pharmaceutical companies are what have the most say as a result. They influence; and their studies are far reaching into the field of psychiatry and what everyone is taught. Everyone is taught in the study of psychiatry (students in medical school) that mental disorders originate from chemical imbalances and of a genetic origin. The psychological and the environmental factors are omitted. Of course the chemical imbalance theory has never ever been proven solidly, but when psychiatrists enter training and practice their views of the patients have already been corrupted. Often what they come to see and believe is highly destructive, what is being seen and heard and postulated by them are not valid complaints but rather delusions from reality distortion caused by chemical imbalances requiring medication. Thus medication is given. Treatment and care other than this is neglected. History is ignored. Feelings are ignored. Complaints are ignored. A good example of misinterpretation is when many patients bring up a history of abuse or family problems. Often the psychiatrists, do not want to listen to this, scold the patient and simply attribute the statements as being a result of hallucinations or delusions from the illness itself. In reality, everything that a patient says needs to be looked at. More often than not these memories tend to have to be real or a least partially true.

That aside, any mental illness is torture in by itself. Even if our lives are perfect and ideal, something like psycosis or chronic depression is agony with hope draining fast. Sometimes the best thing to do is to help these people rather than turning there back on them. Psychiatrists need to acknowledge these people are fighting a war. These people need hope and in order to get that they need to know care is there. Sadly I see the opposite. I have felt the opposite

Anti-psychiatry, psychiatry reform and humane psychiatry are huge subjects, I really recommend learning as much as you can about it if not already .

yeah ricolla psych milks human suffering and bad dynamics spirtual awakenings in familys .

I found the mental health profeessionals vibration and psychiatry made me feel suicidal, like in waves going into their world of ignorance and reality set that they are trying to induct me into believing I have schizophrenia they are so convinced of it, and since I am talking non-compliance and exposing them to their un-reality and ignorance in their faces and seeing the consequences of their illusions, rubbed off bad on me and the projections of them affirming that i am schizophrenic and to disregard every thought I have to mean I am schizophrenic made me feel suicidal....meaning its very aretificial....not sure if anybody read my comments but I am talking about psychiatry engineering society, it has the power like the powers that be to change the perveptions of the world around us, the v very nature of psyhiatry influence on the world is likke spiritual death and make people want to escape the torment of mortal existance....

I have since found a herb that lifts the deficits caused by the drug, the spiritual death from the drugs that with the reality checckingmade me consider it not worth living another yearr or two or thre etc etc on these drugs....so I feel better, so now less adverse to psychiattry so they apply less force bacck to me....I think my suicidal time was about kicking the dog like reaching out telepathically to them which they received and reacted by the same methods of humiliation of their patients.....

mental patients are humiliated and degraded by staff into being educated according to the arrtificial reality they inhabit the world of ignorance...some would rather be dead obviously then have anything to do with this.....this suggests also that psych ddrugs contribute to masking issues thaat need to be overcome, its end of the line once in the grip of psychiatry and o longer evolving as god intended.....guess that could have bad reactions.

Razael wrote:yeah ricolla psych milks human suffering and bad dynamics spirtual awakenings in familys .

I found the mental health profeessionals vibration and psychiatry made me feel suicidal, like in waves going into their world of ignorance and reality set that they are trying to induct me into believing I have schizophrenia they are so convinced of it, and since I am talking non-compliance and exposing them to their un-reality and ignorance in their faces and seeing the consequences of their illusions, rubbed off bad on me and the projections of them affirming that i am schizophrenic and to disregard every thought I have to mean I am schizophrenic made me feel suicidal....meaning its very aretificial....not sure if anybody read my comments but I am talking about psychiatry engineering society, it has the power like the powers that be to change the perveptions of the world around us, the v very nature of psyhiatry influence on the world is likke spiritual death and make people want to escape the torment of mortal existance....

I have since found a herb that lifts the deficits caused by the drug, the spiritual death from the drugs that with the reality checckingmade me consider it not worth living another yearr or two or thre etc etc on these drugs....so I feel better, so now less adverse to psychiattry so they apply less force bacck to me....I think my suicidal time was about kicking the dog like reaching out telepathically to them which they received and reacted by the same methods of humiliation of their patients.....

mental patients are humiliated and degraded by staff into being educated according to the arrtificial reality they inhabit the world of ignorance...some would rather be dead obviously then have anything to do with this.....this suggests also that psych ddrugs contribute to masking issues thaat need to be overcome, its end of the line once in the grip of psychiatry and o longer evolving as god intended.....guess that could have bad reactions.

@Razel you are far from ignorant. You are brilliant. I have read your posts and I have to agree with the above that psychiatry is ignorance. Psychiatry I would say failed you. As it has done to so many. They shouldn't be putting (forcing) you into a mold that doesn't fit then punishing you that you cant fit. This is why nobody gets better because they receive the very thing that hurt them or is hurting them. My belief is that you are very smart and perceptive and the psychiatrists freaked out from it or just simply labelled it as an illness because they cant comprehend what you are seeing/feeling. And really what everyone needs to understand are their limitations and its to bad the psychiatrists are living in the world of a 5 year old where they really don't know what they are and are not capable of seeing/doing.

You did your best though, you tried to explain your beliefs and culture to them so they can better understand you and themselves. Yet all they did was puke in your face. I know LOL am repeating this over on this thread but the respect that the OP is talking about is what makes all the difference in recovery. You do make a good narrative/statement that many make about the system.

Ok LOL hopefully I said what I needed to correctly.