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Psychiatry's Failure of Asperger's Syndrome

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Psychiatry's Failure of Asperger's Syndrome

Postby Horapollo » Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:09 am

I suffer from Asperger's Syndrome, and I made a post over there if you want to read the details of that. However, I thought people in Anti-Psych might be interested in this article as it shows just what 'psychiatry' is: opinion disguised as science. When someone does not agree with your moral and social tropes, the psychiatrist tends to just automatically assume they are wrong and talk you into believing the same thing that 'everybody does'. To someone with AS, sensitive to the average peon's lack of critical reasoning and social addiction, this tends to make things worse and invite a further withdrawal. Psychiatric hucksters are foreclosing help for people with mental wellness issues who do not respond to their herd-animal and Priestly-Moralizer tactics and who do not want to (and can not) 'fit in' because it refuses to recognize that their 'science' is nothing more than opinions about peoples' personalities, opinions which may be wildly idiotic just like everything else most people 'know'.
Link: http://www.aane.org/asperger_resources/articles/miscellaneous/aspergers_depression.html

I'll quote some relevant sections here:

Treatment Issues: Failure in Psychotherapy

Health care workers have correctly identified some of the difficulties inherent in applying traditional methods of psychodynamic therapy to the Asperger mind. The main problem is that it usually doesn’t work. People with AS may thrive on the opportunity for one-on-one conversation provided by the therapeutic interaction, but we often don’t benefit much past this happy occasion to be listened to. We don’t carry things with us beyond the weekly session. This problem may stem from a difficulty in understanding and applying abstract symbolism and metaphors (though I’m not sure exactly how that would work), or it may arise because people with Asperger’s are so verbal we can “talk the talk” without necessarily ever learning to “walk the walk”–both inside and outside of therapy sessions...

...Two lauded treatments for severe depression–Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) and its offshoot, Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT)–focus on reassessing and reconstructing one’s thoughts in the hopes of indirectly altering the feelings they invoke. Well I, for one, do not like to be told how to think. I value my own forceful beliefs and ubiquitous questions, my own Utilitarian sense of morality. Many of the theories espoused by cognitive therapists I simply do not agree with–and yet I am told what I must believe if I wish to get better. (Incidentally, “getting better” is one of those concepts I don’t believe in. I think people experience rising and falling levels of despair throughout their lives, and dubbing depression an illness that can be permanently “cured” is, in most cases, a ludicrous oversimplification.) Anyway…I cannot begin to say how much all of this frustrates me. While therapists gently suggest that I am “not cooperating fully,” I want to scream: Stop trying to control my thoughts! Leave my mind alone!

Of course, one way to sidestep the mind altogether (or try to!) is to follow the strictly behavioral therapies often employed to shape the behavior of autistic children. Unfortunately, such techniques may be all but useless for the higher-functioning person with Asperger’s Syndrome. I personally find behavioral therapy maddening: my cognitions–desires, judgments and questions–always creep in anyway. In most cases, I cannot be issued a command or even a suggestion without instantly wondering: Why should I do that? What’s the benefit? How do you know it will work? Who says? What if I think something else will work better? What are the consequences of my doing what you want me to do instead of what I feel is right? Just because it worked on some other people, how do you know it will work on me? Am I not a unique individual? Have you even thought about this?!
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Re: Psychiatry's Failure of Asperger's Syndrome

Postby HaxX » Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:23 am

[quote="Horapollo"] Psychiatric hucksters are foreclosing help for people with mental wellness issues who do not respond to their herd-animal and Priestly-Moralizer tactics and who do not want to (and can not) 'fit in' because it refuses to recognize that their 'science' is nothing more than opinions about peoples' personalities, opinions which may be wildly idiotic just like everything else most people 'know'.[quote]

This is correct. It is opinion as disease, and medicalizes logical aversion to therapies which can be dangerous or innefective for example.
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Re: Psychiatry's Failure of Asperger's Syndrome

Postby katana » Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:17 am

Then my reaction to the author of that article is if you so clearly know best, invent your own self-therapy. If I can take what I value and turn it into what works surely anyone intelligent enough to know their own mind can do the same. If that doesn't seem to cover it for reasons other than cognition etc, perhaps AS isn't the issue when it comes to the opinion....
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Re: Psychiatry's Failure of Asperger's Syndrome

Postby Horapollo » Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:38 pm

katana wrote:Then my reaction to the author of that article is if you so clearly know best, invent your own self-therapy. If I can take what I value and turn it into what works surely anyone intelligent enough to know their own mind can do the same. If that doesn't seem to cover it for reasons other than cognition etc, perhaps AS isn't the issue when it comes to the opinion....

The trouble is that you're not allowed to practice, they control access to drugs with their police state, and also most depressed individuals are not going to have the motivation, much less the knowledge - especially because there is a massive, state-sanctioned religion call 'psychiatry' that consistently diverts resources into non-productive and dangerous mythologies. As there are limited resources and people falsely perceive this need as being met, good psychology and emotional programs do not exist and have no funding. You critical failed, just like those state-worshipers who scream "if you don't like it, move!"; as though these subhumans had any right to control my life to begin with.
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Re: Psychiatry's Failure of Asperger's Syndrome

Postby Riccola » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:34 pm

First off let me say Im so sorry and that this is not your fault in any way.

Psychiatry is nothing that takes human experience or life into account. My belief is that the depression comes from society labeling and shunning people who are different.
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Re: Psychiatry's Failure of Asperger's Syndrome

Postby Horapollo » Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:36 pm

Well, this place is a waste of time; and ###$ the moderators.
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Re: Psychiatry's Failure of Asperger's Syndrome

Postby katana » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:23 am

Good point about the depression factor. Also many people cannot do that under extreme stress. Suppose its why psychiatry is the one section of "medicine" that works the way it does - a person with a broken leg can still tell a doctor that no it does not need a jar of honey and some wallpaper. :lol:
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Re: Psychiatry's Failure of Asperger's Syndrome

Postby Razael » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:00 am

Horapollo wrote:Well, this place is a waste of time; and ###$ the moderators.


stick around in the anti-spych forum the moderators will let you say what you want...I guess most forums around the internet on mental health buy into the industry of ignorance...they are the most disgustingly ignorant fools on the planet. I guess most aspies are smarter then the quacks, and thats a problem for the quack to deal with and they use drugs on the smarter ones who know that quacks are ignorant fools.
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