Trying to explain the psych scam offline in the real world

There I was today just going about my business and some acquaintances said "serotonin and dopamine" during a conversation and I needed to act quicky to set them straight. You would think that would be easy for someone with 800 posts mostly in the anti psych forum but its different offline, I cant post a link or video explaining it like this one below into the real world conversation like in these online conversations.

This video shows the difference between a physical disease and a psychiatric mental "disorder". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo-jo213bKs

I can say "why don't they test for serotonin and dopamine levels ? " and wait for a reply but people assume "they" could or something but its expensive then I have to explain its impossible.

Mabey they believe me, but often they don't, after all I'm contradicting everything they ever read for years, as they skipped over the disclaimer words "may" , "linked to" and "suggests" or read them as "caused by" instead. The only proof behind any myth is "well, everybody knows" its true.

I can try and explain the difference between brain and mind where the brain is a thing, an object , a noun but the mind is actions like thinking and belief systems memories all working together... actions a verb. Or go farther and say what about your spirit and soul ?

Its so easy to win the argument online where both sides have tools like internet search engines. Online if I'm lazy I could type in 2 words and shut down anyone who says biological psychiatry is legit. Those two words are "prove it" , sometimes some lame links come in as proof that take a tiny bit of picking apart but not much, ever.

Anyone ever try explaining the truth about psychiatry offline ? How did you do ?

I tried to tell my parents that there is no test for serotonin levels etc and my mother acutally said there is a test that doe that,and theres another one that is used by naturopathic ppl etc that test serotonin and dopamine levels. Have u heard of this??
I don't believe her I know they don't use these tests, I was never 'tested'. Why is she saying there are 2 tests?
Just wondering if you've heard of them?

Devilock wrote:I tried to tell my parents that there is no test for serotonin levels etc

If you have urine for brains they can test it. There is a serotonin pee test that couldn't tell the difference between the urine of a very happy newlywed lottery winner on his/her honeymoon and someone with a life history of suicidal depression. Its useless.

look up serotonin urine test.

Ask parents why they don't use this test before perscribing meds to raise serotonin ?

The CCHR videos are great for deprogramming parents.

There is also a serotonin blood test. The thing with this is that it doesn't measure the levels of serotonin in the brain.They do this blood test to check for serotonin syndrome. There is no test currently that measures the levels of serotonin in the brain which is where it needs to be measured for that theory to prove accurate.

I too have difficulty talking anti-psych offline in the real world. nothing comes out like I would expect it to from y online experience talking about it, its weird..plus I don';t know anyone worth discussing anti-psych with so its kinda manners aswell most people i know respect psychiatry.

last time I managed to say something instead of laughing at a freind that claimed psychiatry is science based medicine basically, I said there are too many conflicts of interest in drug company for there to be legitimate science. I was suprised he took my word for it, but guess he'll be backk to normal soon enough, don;'t wanna lose any friends and he manages pretty good with bi-polar and likes to see quacks..

i gonna see a good private psychiatrist too soon, so might change me a bit from the anti public psychiatrist trap.

-- Sat May 18, 2013 12:04 pm --

quacks are the best to tell about it, they don;t know what to think and probably try to make it part of the illness I guess, they do with everything else.....Its hard to talk to quacks full-stop and don';t reccommend it if you not currently seeing one, they need to know they are a scam more then anyone else.

my case manager was concerned that I thought they were all corrupt, the way they see it is they are a service to the community and doing a good job, hard to snap them out of that delusion

its the machine that makes it hard to talk antipsychiatry and even if you were able to it might not make any sense to them they are so set up acccording to the machine to praise psychiatry being a medicine, but its not...it is weird how social instances makes it hard to talk real and beyond the illusions of everyday men and normal social and agreeable way of being...we've been engineered this way through the media etc to not rock the boat coz it would be rocking it to someone indocrinated and believing in psychiatry as a medicine.

I been saying that since the APA made psychiatry a medicine it hypnotizes people and we get hypnotised by the mind frame of someone praising psychiatry like they supposed to....

any way thought I make it weird for entertainment value....its about the machine and being dumbed down non boat rocking member of society the way its been engineered thusly lol

-- Sat May 18, 2013 12:18 pm --

machine or monster that swamps it as being conspiracy theory or not true because thats not what everyone is lead to believe and its like a monster or a machine

or its a god saying not to mess with their fragile meanings in life and trust in the greater "good" and ignorance,,,but god would want you to save them from the results of ignorance in the afterlife and live according to purity, then they be considered psychotic for wanting to save people from the monster/machine of ignorance blissfull ignorance....so its interesting that something stops that ability to talk about anti-psychiaatry with certain people other then authority when its importnt to get the message across not thata they often actually listen yet what holds their jobs and belief systems together is just habit, the habit of society that people follow like sheep, we shouldn;t hold it too far against them.

I've tried, but once you're known as "mentally ill", it's rather futile unless you do it subtly over time and even then it's probably pointless at the end of the day. Not that it matters. All the world's religions are shouting at these people that they can't see the forest for the trees, and if they aren't listening then what can one do except maybe push them through the rabbit hole or something.

Why would I bother other people. If they are smart enough to understand dopamine! Would they not have thought about the possibility of a scam. Possibly they have more info then they are sharing that allows them to believe what they believe. They don't need any third party help with the thinking process.

If I wanted to know something is or could be a scam. I do not need anyone discovering it for me! I can figure it out very quickly. I can decide for myself if I care about such things!

OMNICELL wrote:Why would I bother other people. If they are smart enough to understand dopamine! Would they not have thought about the possibility of a scam. Possibly they have more info then they are sharing that allows them to believe what they believe. They don't need any third party help with the thinking process.

If I wanted to know something is or could be a scam. I do not need anyone discovering it for me! I can figure it out very quickly. I can decide for myself if I care about such things!

They do need someone to help them with the thinking process, they believe all that serotonin and dopamine stuff is scientific fact.