MENTAL ILLNESS, DOES EVERYBODY HAVE IT WRONG....

Since I do not have mental illness and have not gone through what you have, the following is just my opinion. PERSONAL OBSERVATIONS over the last five years dealing with the mental health industry has given me some insight into the many problems associated with serious mental illness.

You have suffered far more than people realize, all aspects of serious mental illness is nothing more than a crap shoot. Your bodies and your treatment and your diagnosis and your thinking and your living conditions and your interaction with other people and your FALSE HOPE OF RECOVERY, etc. etc. etc.....

Now I am sure that many of you will disagree and or curse me for saying that there is false hope of recovery. When you look at only yourselves you naturally want to believe that there is future hope of recovery, the supposed mental health professionals use false hope to justify their existence. I have done over five years of research and have yet to find anybody with serious mental illness completely cured.

The amount of pain and suffering and experimentation etc. etc. etc., that people with serious illness have to put up with and then realize there is no hope left. Let's repeat this point, the amount of pain and suffering and medical experimentation etc. that you are expected to live with is worse than the -Nazis- did to people.

Do I have an answer that is better than what you have now, no not really -BUT- does that mean you have to accept the inhuman way you are treated by society and the supposed mental health professionals and the mental health industry etc. etc. etc.....???????

I am being honest when I say that there is no answer to everybody's problems with serious mental illness -BUT- you should be given the option of doing nothing, not to suffer at the hands of society and or these supposed MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS....

Go to a country where there are people who do not get the option of mental health treatment and then judge whether that's a good idea. Try india. There you will see some people with schizophrenia living on the streets in a permanently deluded state, as beggars. The ones who suffer from paranoia end up in jail or dead.

These sorts of choices are what seem to be available for everyone else as well. This what it is like for poor people in india who cannot afford good treatment of any kind.

People seek treatment because they are distressed. Professional help does not cure people. No one says they can do that for you but they help to some extent. For me for example who has depression, with the the help of medication and therapy i was able to build up enough self esteem to start my own business. I have learnt a lot through my path with mental health. That doesn't mean i still don't have difficulties but I am sure i have benefitted from the treatment i have had been able to access and i am glad its been an option.

I l've also witnessed first hand the benefits with others as well. The alternatives are not good. you probably haven't had any contact with that so you don't appreciate how uninformed your view is.

fiftysix wrote:For me for example who has depression, with the the help of medication

Its always people who have a diagnosis of depression that come in here and defend psychiatric oppression. Every time.

Go take some unwanted nueroleptics and get back to us.

Almost forgot, some of them get hurt too.

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-fiftysix- I respect your opinion but I also have to ask the question, do you have serious mental illness???

I"m lucky that i've never had to take more than antidepressants. however i have spent a lot of time around people with all forms of mental illness. I have listened to people talk about the medication struggles. I have had friends admitted to hospital and seen how traumatised they were by it.

I have had a friend come to my flat on more than occasion with tardive diskenesia (spelling) and i had to call the crisis team. However, that friend in particular and her partner, i saw what happens when they are off their meds. Its awful. He is a paranoid schizophrenic. A cross bow was found in his room. what does that suggest to you.

I do understand how awful antipsychotics are. I understand when you are on a cocktail of meds that there are side effects popping out all over the place but i've also been around bipolar people in depression and i can't imagine anything more painful.

I've also been with all the same people who have been successfully stabilised with medication and and supported in various other ways with professional health care.

I used to spend a lot of time in a chat room with people of all sorts of conditions. I have seen some make amazing progress in their lives. Had they had not access to treatment, their lives would likely be as #######5 as they were in the past.

so that's where i'im coming from.

I'm not saying that there haven't been abuses in this field. That's undeniable. But i would think the majority of mental health practitioners care and do want to reduce suffering.

Also have you ever read the book by Kay Jamieson i think that's her name. She was a psychologist who also had bipolar. She wrote a book about her experiences on both sides of medication story.

The majority of mental health practitioners may care about people but the whole lot of them are ignorant and many of them are out to make a profit. Psychiatry is an easy job once one completes medical schooling. Pretend to listen, give meds and your paycheck is there. Whether the patient lives or dies it doesn't matter. People who become Psychiatrists are trying to impress there parents and get easy money. They are taught that mental patients are defective, and seldom are cured. Just give meds and they are all right. What the never understand or care about is what the patient is going through. Most will never understand because neither themselves understand there own problems and that schooling has taught them how to view the world for them.

And oh, to the op, its not true that mental illness is not curable. There is no such thing as a false hope of recovery because I know under the right hands and treatment things do get better, its just not something main stream psychiatry can offer.

What your seeing is an inadequacy in the system and outdated thinking being thrown onto mental patients.

fiftysix wrote:Its awful. He is a paranoid schizophrenic. A cross bow was found in his room. what does that suggest to you.

Forced neuroleptic lobotamys ? Better for 1,000 harmless people to be drugged against there will then have 1 person who may be dangerous go unmedicated ????


A generation ago, society had eccentrics. Now, thanks to the efforts of psychiatrists, we have people with “mental disorders” and the number of disorders grows each year. People who worry about state surveillance are labelled “Paranoid”, those who argue passionately against injustice and have a head full of facts and figures are “Deluded” and suffering from “Thought Disorder” and those full of dreams and visions of a better world are “Psychotic”.

Meanwhile, kids who prefer to explore their surroundings and chatter (as thousands of years of evolution prepared them to do) instead of sitting still listening to teachers are labelled as “suffering from ADHD” and drugged.

You can generally see a post that was written by a mental health professional etc. and a post that was written by somebody that has mental illness....

I'm not a mental health professional. I am on a disability pension. I am older, 49 but i don't have a disorder that is perhaps as serious as some of you. also i've been involved with a lot of aspects of mental health but all in aid of my own personal growth and management of my problems.

When i was first going through therapy - which was 15 years ago now, i read a ton of books on everything to do with mental health. I also read books on antipsychiatry. Most of them and the ideas in them were very old. It was a big issue in the 60s and 70s following on from a lot of bad treatment of mental health disorders. I did therapy for three years.

At the time, i bought into it in some respects but i held the belief that my therapy would help me and in the long run it did. It took me quite a long time to get over my distrust and dislike of doctors - a lot of it was envy in my case. But there was also a degree of paranoia in the beginning. I think also because i was lucky that the first medication i took made a difference and i have not had to deal with serious side effects, though i have had some, i never developed the deep fear that you seem to have acquired.

I did not point you out as a mental health professional but let's give you the benefit of the doubt...? I worked in a mental health rehabilitation facility in northern new Jersey USA and came into regular contact with many mental facilities and caregivers etc. on my own time. The one thing that I discovered was that almost everything connected with the mental health industry was pure self serving -B S-. This never ending -B S- is one of the main reasons that almost everybody with serious mental illness commits some form of -Suicide- in the end...

Ps, how many people with SERIOUS MENTAL ILLNESS LIVE INTO THEIR OLD AGE....???