Why havent we "won" yet ?

Oh, and as I pointed out in another post, the scapegoating mechanism plays a huge role. Mental patients are the scapegoats du jour, and psychiatric theory and practice both act as vehicles for this process. They are scapegoats for the "ills" of society and human psychology, scapegoated, in the case of many patients, for the violence apparent and latent in human society; for the collective lunacy intrinsic to man which is displaced onto the patient so as to give the illusion of having been cleansed of unreason, allowing people to feel smug and superior at the expense of the scapegoat; and for other social and economic ills which must be denied by those who have an interest or perceived interest in maintaining the status quo, which accounts for most people, because even those who don't benefit really from things as they are nevertheless have a status quo bias, a bias predicated on a fear of change that extorts from the individual their collaboration in maintaining things as they are.

Cledwyn Bulbs wrote:Oh, and as I pointed out in another post, the scapegoating mechanism plays a huge role. Mental patients are the scapegoats du jour, and psychiatric theory and practice both act as vehicles for this process. They are scapegoats for the "ills" of society and human psychology, scapegoated, in the case of many patients, for the violence apparent and latent in human society; for the collective lunacy intrinsic to man which is displaced onto the patient so as to give the illusion of having been cleansed of unreason, allowing people to feel smug and superior at the expense of the scapegoat; and for other social and economic ills which must be denied by those who have an interest or perceived interest in maintaining the status quo, which accounts for most people, because even those who don't benefit really from things as they are nevertheless have a status quo bias, a bias predicated on a fear of change that extorts from the individual their collaboration in maintaining things as they are.

True, society itself is sick. Why can't people see that ? There is no social support by family or in the community (friends) for many people anymore, not like the old days. It is so very very easy to find oneself completely alone in this crowded world in our society with no one at all to help you or even to talk to.

Money, housing problems ? The $300,000,000,000 a year mental health industry doesn't give a crap about you unless they figure a way to make big bucks for themselves.

There *is* evidence out there on the net, that proves ADHD meds are causing allot of bipolar diagnosis', theres a whole new epidemic of kids getting diagnosed with all sorts of new things too.

Just because there is someone that meds has worked for dosnt mean that there arnt ppl around (like in this forum) that have been harmed by meds and psychiatry and there is whole movement devoted to this (check out mindfreedom.com , the freedom centre etc). So that's great that meds worked for you, but there is also eveidence that long term psychotropic use is *worsening* long term outcomes for ppl diagnosed as mentally ill.

Copy_Cat wrote:I know, define "won".

I just don't get why the public does not WAKE UP !

The public does not wake up because you guys haven't done anything to wake it up. If you want to end the "pharmacaust", child drugging and all psycho-pharmaceutical crimes, get out of this forum and start doing something. Start and circulate petitions, write articles, go on social media, educate the public. As long as you talk here amongst yourselves, you don't have the right to complain that nothing changes. Your talking on this forum doesn't help anyone including yourselves. You want change? Do something to make it happen. If you don't want to do anything, fine, it's your choice. But then don't whine and complain that nothing changes. Granted, you were abused and victimized by the system. That doesn't mean you have to live your life like victims doing nothing but chewing the same gum on this forum for the rest of your life. Again, if that is your choice, fine, you have the right to live how you want, but be honest about what you do and why. Don't BS yourselves that you are making any difference by chatting on this forum. You aren't.

WiseMonkey wrote:

Copy_Cat wrote:I know, define "won".

I just don't get why the public does not WAKE UP !

The public does not wake up because you guys haven't done anything to wake it up. If you want to end the "pharmacaust", child drugging and all psycho-pharmaceutical crimes, get out of this forum and start doing something. Start and circulate petitions, write articles, go on social media, educate the public. As long as you talk here amongst yourselves, you don't have the right to complain that nothing changes. Your talking on this forum doesn't help anyone including yourselves. You want change? Do something to make it happen. If you don't want to do anything, fine, it's your choice. But then don't whine and complain that nothing changes. Granted, you were abused and victimized by the system. That doesn't mean you have to live your life like victims doing nothing but chewing the same gum on this forum for the rest of your life. Again, if that is your choice, fine, you have the right to live how you want, but be honest about what you do and why. Don't BS yourselves that you are making any difference by chatting on this forum. You aren't.

I protest online outside this forum and if we make topics here that show up on web searches the word gets out that way. I found this forum searching something that was a topic here. most of our topics get about 100 views , I don't know who is viewing them but I try and include links to back up the subjet and add information to keep it interesting for visitors and people who want to know more about anti psychiatry or the pharmacaust.

I would love to goto an APA protest !



I should get involved with one of the human rights groups fighting the phamacaust, I am like an expert from reading so many web pages when hunting for links to back up my view on a subject.

People will always be persuaded by the:

It wouldn't have happened if...

argument.

i.e. if the person had got the help he needed he wouldn't have :
shoved a guy in front of a train
killed his kids
shot up a school
etc etc

We are winning, I joined Thu Jan 19, 2012 and started posting about stuff and was just getting into this. I see more and more information online about how people are getting hurt by psychiatry and the crooks at big pharma selling sickness.

Evidence of the change can be found by looking at old posts from 5 and 10 years ago and the way people write in forums today.

This is an info war and "anti-psych" has the truth on its side. The other side has billions of $ to market lies and that kind of sucks but we are winning. Slowly.

WiseMonkey wrote:

Copy_Cat wrote:I know, define "won".

I just don't get why the public does not WAKE UP !

The public does not wake up because you guys haven't done anything to wake it up. If you want to end the "pharmacaust", child drugging and all psycho-pharmaceutical crimes, get out of this forum and start doing something. Start and circulate petitions, write articles, go on social media, educate the public. As long as you talk here amongst yourselves, you don't have the right to complain that nothing changes. Your talking on this forum doesn't help anyone including yourselves. You want change? Do something to make it happen. If you don't want to do anything, fine, it's your choice. But then don't whine and complain that nothing changes. Granted, you were abused and victimized by the system. That doesn't mean you have to live your life like victims doing nothing but chewing the same gum on this forum for the rest of your life. Again, if that is your choice, fine, you have the right to live how you want, but be honest about what you do and why. Don't BS yourselves that you are making any difference by chatting on this forum. You aren't.

Wisemonkey, I am in receipt of your Imperial edict. Don't tell me my rights. I'll complain wherever I have occasion to do so, regardless, and I don't just do it within the confines of this particular web community. You can't lay the blame for the collective ignorance of the herd in relation to this issue at the feet of patients on here and expect anyone to accept it. In general, people simply don't listen to mental patients, for varied reasons which I have elaborated on in other posts and which I can't be bothered to recapitulate anyway.

In the demotic mind, culturally defined preconceptions about mental patients subtly intrude upon any evaluation of their utterances. This is in contradistinction to how people react to the oppressors, whose words seem to strike a much more responsive chord. Hence why people rarely question the testimony of psychiatrists, nurses and family members. Indeed, people read case notes as if they are a 100% accurate representation of things as they happen, and listen sympathetically to such people when they invoke ridiculous stereotypes to justify their behaviours in relation to the poor sod caught up in their web of deceit.

You also have to understand the cultural climate. Orthodox psychiatric tenets have acquired the force of dogma in our culture, and with that have acquired the force also of issues being above question and discussion. You try reasoning with people and, their minds being little adapted to reasoning on this issue, they react as if you were advancing arguments equivalent in value to arguing that the earth is flat, because for the mass minded the axioms of our culture are incontrovertible, divinely imparted, so that any discussion quickly degenerates into a futile war of words and internecine struggle between two egos.

This not admitting of uncertainty cannot be compensated for by writing articles (articles we would struggle to find a publisher for anyway) or anything else, although if you can you should certainly do it. The best people can do is use whatever avenues of opportunity are open to them, and there really aren't many, because of an immense power imbalance which stacks the cards in favour of the oppressors, who can bring their power to bear on the matter of gaining ascendancy for their own interests through the orchestration of popular opinion.