Why havent we "won" yet ?

I know, define "won".

I would like to see the end of the "phamacaust".

Child drugging # 1

Drastically altering brain function with chemicals that life has never before encountered over vast eons of time, can’t not have unpredictable results, especially in children and teens !

"ADHD" drugged kids are now turning into Bipolar adults, yes, its happening. For real.

SSRI sexual dysfuctions ruining love and marriages.

Suicides.

I just don't get why the public does not WAKE UP !

Copy_Cat wrote:Suicides.

I just don't get why the public does not WAKE UP !

Suicides. That is why. They are running on fear. They search for anything that will make their loved ones "well." The pharmaceutical industry has just done a very good job of making their line of thinking #1

Copy_Cat wrote:I know, define "won".

I would like to see the end of the "phamacaust".

Child drugging # 1

Drastically altering brain function with chemicals that life has never before encountered over vast eons of time, can’t not have unpredictable results, especially in children and teens !

"ADHD" drugged kids are now turning into Bipolar adults, yes, its happening. For real.

SSRI sexual dysfuctions ruining love and marriages.

Suicides.

I just don't get why the public does not WAKE UP !

Unfortunately disinformation. Along with busy parents who only have one source of knowledge and opinion on their child that being the treating psychiatrist.

But I think you have won on here, especially with me. I dont think you have said something thus far that is not true.

Copy_Cat wrote:I just don't get why the public does not WAKE UP !

I think the answer to your question is a LONG standing one. See for example, Plato's "the allegory of the cave":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave

You will see that Plato described the public as prisoners who believe that the images/shadows on the cave walls to be reality - but they are cast by the puppets. In our case, we have major drug companies and politicians who act as puppeteers and manipulate the puppets, including those who make the advertizing campaigns, bought out doctors, DSM, etc.

Why do so many people believe in these images that are cast onto our media by the puppets that are manipulated by the puppeteers? You are right in that they are asleep, so they are in a dream like concsiousness, thus are incapable of realizing the truth. The thing that may frustrate some of us most is that our fellow prisoners who are asleep will not see us for who we really are.

"The prisoners, ignorant of the world behind them, would see the freed man with his corrupted eyes and be afraid of anything but what they already know." - Socrates

Ian Reynir wrote:I think the answer to your question is a LONG standing one. See for example, Plato's "the allegory of the cave":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave

Here is some reality.

Copy_Cat wrote:Drastically altering brain function with chemicals that life has never before encountered over vast eons of time, can’t not have unpredictable results, especially in children and teens !

"ADHD" drugged kids are now turning into Bipolar adults, yes, its happening. For real.

Lets start backing it up,




This must be happening to young children on Methylphenidate, look at

Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging of Methylphenidate and Placebo in Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder During the Multi-Source Interference Task

http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article ... eid=482553






Its the same thing.

because psychiatry is a cult that has infiltrated society and the government...people would rather not care about what happens when someone is dealing with psychiatry, they are very naive and psychiatrist are given raise to be a legal voice, but its a myth and the whole diagnostic $#%^ categorising and putting labels on people....maybe the lowe spectrum like to have everything categorised and psychiatry provides a service for social control.

hey I suck becuase I am drugged up on antipsychotics and my life no longer means anything

Copy_Cat wrote:Drastically altering brain function with chemicals that life has never before encountered over vast eons of time

That's plainly false. Homo sapiens sapiens have been altering their brain function using plant/fungus-sourced psychedelics for millenia.

"ADHD" drugged kids are now turning into Bipolar adults, yes, its happening. For real.

It would be good if you substantiated a claim such as this.

SSRI sexual dysfuctions ruining love and marriages.

From reading clinical trials and from having been on literally every single SSRI over the last 20 years I can confirm that erectile dysfunction does not effect all users of SSRIs and it doesn't even effect them all equally. I never had a problem with erectile function even when I was on a higher than recommended dose of fluvoxamine. Being on SSRIs delayed by ability to achieve orgasm and this in effect gave me sexual stamina which translated to a satisfied partner. Also, erectile dysfunction caused by SSRIs can be effectively treated with a PDE5 inhibitor in many cases. In those cases where a PDE5inhibitor isn' t helping then it is time to switch to another class of antidepressants. Only an incompetent physician would do otherwise.

Suicides.

Major Depressive Disorder is a big cause of suicides.

I just don't get why the public does not WAKE UP !

I've hadd MDD since I was a teenager and I am now entering middle-age. Over the last 20 years I have been on literally every drug that is approved for the treatment of MDD in Australia. I have also had unilateral and bilateral ECT. I will readily concede that I haven't gained much relief from the symptoms of the MDD from the psychiatric treatments I have received. My MDD is treatment resistant and my response to treatment has ranged from absent to modest. I will also admit that I responded very badly to some of the treatments I was administered (most recently to bilateral ECT). Partially because of my university education I believe I know much more than the average person and the average member of the psychiatric patient population about pharmacology, physiology, evidence based medicine, statistical methods and research design. I believe I am capable of making informed decisions regarding my healthcare (mental and physical).

Your posts in general and this one in particular imply that you have arrived at the absolute truth regarding psychiatry (more precisely psychological medicine/biological psychiatry) and that everyone that doesn't share your opinion is ignorant and misguided. I beg to differ on both points.

-- Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:50 pm --

Copy_Cat wrote:http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=482553

This paper doesn't support your claim, it actually contradicts it. The conclusion in the abstract reads:

Methylphenidate OROS increased daMCC activation during the MSIT and may act, in part, by normalizing daMCC hypofunction in ADHD.

Protracted_Fermata wrote:

Copy_Cat wrote:Drastically altering brain function with chemicals that life has never before encountered over vast eons of time

That's plainly false. Homo sapiens sapiens have been altering their brain function using plant/fungus-sourced psychedelics for millenia.

"ADHD" drugged kids are now turning into Bipolar adults, yes, its happening. For real.

and the rest of it...

"Plainly false" What ? you have to be kidding.

Plant/fungus-sourced drugs for millenia... 100% True.

The drugs from say the Eli Lilly pharmacuitical "plant" don't count. Life has never ever before encountered those. Plainly 100% true.

Never ever before have humans consumed the results of these chemisty experiments ! They did not exist before ever.

Protracted_Fermata wrote:

Copy_Cat wrote:http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=482553

This paper doesn't support your claim, it actually contradicts it. The conclusion in the abstract reads:

Methylphenidate OROS increased daMCC activation during the MSIT and may act, in part, by normalizing daMCC hypofunction in ADHD.

The brain scans support my claim, of course the paper didnt do the comparison to meth users, I did.

Talk to a young person in substance abuse treatment about the effects that drugging for childhood behavoir had on them, how the effects made them bipolar and prone to addictive behaivor. It will break your heart.

Copy_Cat wrote:"Plainly false" What ? you have to be kidding.

Plant/fungus-sourced drugs for millenia... 100% True.

Plants, fungi and some animal secretions have psychoactive properties because they contain psychoactive chemical compounds. They operate on the same receptors that many man-made pharmaceutical compounds do. How exactly do you think cannabis, psilocybin mushrooms, and opium poppy achieve their effect? Via magic?

The drugs from say the Eli Lilly pharmacuitical "plant" don't count. Life has never ever before encountered those. Plainly 100% true.

Ricin is one of the most poisonous substances known and it is extracted from the castor oil plant Ricinus communis. Naturally occurring does not equate to safe and wholesome.

What -- in specific terms -- is the significance of life never having encountered chemical compound X? What is the argument that establishes that novelty equates to toxicity?

Never ever before have humans consumed the results of these chemisty experiments ! They did not exist before ever.

So what? Humans haven't always had televison, personal computers, automatic transmissions, fruit flavoured ice, leavened bread, Fuji apples and vitamin supplements. You seem to be missing a vital argument which demonstrates that novelty is essentially and necessarily harmful. I don't see it anywhere.

The brain scans support my claim, of course the paper didnt do the comparison to meth users, I did.

No it doesn't. Your (unsubstantiated) claim is that methylphenidate somehow causes bipolar disorder. The paper you linked (http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=482553) provides evidence that methyphenidate corrects the hypofunction in the dorsal anterior midcingulate cortex (daMCC) that is evident in those with ADHD.

From the abstract:

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Previous studies have reported hypofunction, structural abnormalities, and biochemical abnormalities of the dorsal anterior midcingulate cortex (daMCC) in attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD)... Group comparisons showed a group × scan interaction and t test confirmation of higher activation in the daMCC at 6 weeks in the methylphenidate OROS group than in the placebo group.


Talk to a young person in substance abuse treatment about the effects that drugging for childhood behavoir had on them, how the effects made them bipolar and prone to addictive behaivor. It will break your heart.

Correlation is not causation.(http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation)

You can't tell me these kids are sick and need to be drugged, that bullcrap. They do not have any "sickness" whatsoever.

Your post about the ADHD sais "abnormalities", thats a great word if your selling drugs but thats about it.

The hunter vs. farmer hypothesis proposes that the high frequency of ADHD in contemporary settings "represents otherwise normal behavioral strategies that become maladaptive in such evolutionarily novel environments as the formal school classroom.

http://www.thomhartmann.com/articles/20 ... ch-addadhd

Meanwhile, kids who prefer to explore their surroundings and chatter (as thousands of years of evolution prepared them to do) instead of sitting still listening to teachers are labelled as “suffering from ADHD” and drugged.

Check this out "Info for Parents who are pressured to diagnose and drug their children for ADD or ADHD. Story behind our Sons death caused from ADHD drug, Ritalin.

Between 1990 and 2000 there were 186 deaths from methylphenidate reported to the FDA MedWatch program, a voluntary reporting scheme, the numbers of which represent no more than 10 to 20% of the actual incidence."

Read more http://www.ritalindeath.com 186 dead kids, nice job psychiatry.

I have all the symptoms of ADD but I am not "sick" nor do I have an "abnormality".

Protracted_Fermata wrote:
So what? Humans haven't always had televison, personal computers, automatic transmissions, fruit flavoured ice, leavened bread, Fuji apples and vitamin supplements. You seem to be missing a vital argument which demonstrates that novelty is essentially and necessarily harmful. I don't see it anywhere.

Can you See it here ?


Rebecca Riley (April 11, 2002 – December 13, 2006), the daughter of Michael and Carolyn Riley and resident of Hull, Massachusetts, was found dead in her home after prolonged exposure to various medications, her lungs filled with fluid. The medical examiner's office determined the girl died from "intoxication due to the combined effects" of the drugs Clonidine, valproic acid (Depakote), Dextromethorphan, and Chlorpheniramine and that her heart and lungs were damaged due to prolonged abuse of these prescription drugs. Police reports state she was taking 750 milligrams a day of Depakote, 200 milligrams a day of Seroquel, and .35 milligrams a day of Clonidine. Rebecca had been taking the drugs since the age of two for bipolar disorder and ADHD, diagnosed by psychiatrist Kayoko Kifuji of the Tufts-New England Medical Center.

Protracted_Fermata wrote:Correlation is not causation.(http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation)

Correlation is not causation... what ever

Double-talk is a form of speech in which inappropriate, invented or nonsense words are used to give the appearance of erudition and so confuse or amuse the audience

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-talk

Talk to a young person in substance abuse treatment about the effects that drugging for childhood behavoir had on them, how the effects made them bipolar and prone to addictive behaivor.

Tell them "Correlation is not causation"