when will pych get punnished for Crimes against humanity?

Ian Reynir wrote:

Cheze2 wrote:Diagnoses are just subjective opinions after all, perhaps misdiagnosis can cover a portion of these people? Just a thought.

Actually, I think a diagnosis is a classification connecting real phenomana to specific name or label.

Yes, the diagnostic criteria is all laid out nice and neat, yet you get two psychiatrists in a room together and you will very well get two different diagnoses based upon their subjective opinions of the "symptoms" they are seeing. There was a British TV show about this type of thing.

Recovered45 wrote:And its not really a diagnosis thats as easy to get wrong, in the sense, that once someone has commanding voices, voices observing behaviour, hallucinations and so forth, your not left with a wide selection of illnesses to diagnose them into.

How many people do you know personally that have a diagnosis of schizophrenia? Schizophrenia is MUCH more than just hearing voices. I do believe that this is part of the issue. Many doctors hear "Oh you're hearing voices-must be schizophrenia" vs spending the time to find out about the whole person and what else might be going on.

Cheze2 wrote:

Recovered45 wrote:This is pretty amusing given the recent study showing that a decent portion of schizophrenia sufferers spontaneously recover (I think the percentage was 30-40% in this study). There are living public/famous examples of this too. Rufus may comes to mind, a former schizophrenic who now works in clinical psychology.

Diagnoses are just subjective opinions after all, perhaps misdiagnosis can cover a portion of these people? Just a thought..

FWIW, I do believe schizophrenia is often misdiagnosed when other illnesses are at play.

-- Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:31 am --

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Many doctors hear "Oh you're hearing voices-must be schizophrenia" vs spending the time to find out about the whole person and what else might be going on.[/quote]

I cant agree with you more on this. This is a huge down fall in psychiatry, fixate on a few outlined symptoms and treat with meds. Its really harmful to patients

How many people do you know personally that have a diagnosis of schizophrenia? Schizophrenia is MUCH more than just hearing voices. I do believe that this is part of the issue. Many doctors hear "Oh you're hearing voices-must be schizophrenia" vs spending the time to find out about the whole person and what else might be going on.

Completely fair point, and a failing of a reductive mindset, perhaps even my own psychology learning. I do not know anyone personally with schizophrenia, although I have met a few people over time, I know no one with the label well.

I want justice for crimes of humanity that is psychiatry, I had been calling goddess's to help but am not convinced that they can really do anything or how to actually set them about change, the only change I could see is internally yet the drugs are impacting my nature and intellect and ability to let in new light.

the effectiveness of deities angels....chamael is associated to justice and the planet mars can be firy to work with I have found and could be counterproductive if it induces some healthy fear, if I could harness that energy to use at will, or divine will of the deity in weighing up the situation.

Themis and maat and justitia are goddess's of justice

as i said I don't know how to proprely impliment energies like this and only really experience it as astral beings, back to cheze's p[oint that misdiagnosis, or reliability of diagnostics, images of angels and deities and imaginary friends or guides cures for loneliness I can live with well and feel like the reason they say I lack insight is becaue i think my difinition is different.

the point is still there that psychiatry is seriously wrong about a whole lot of stuff and something should be done, they should pay for the injustice on a deep and disturbing level to them to realise the myths they carry around as fact and bias's of observing what they consider schizophrenic that might just be a person reaching spiritual upliftment and maybe in my case going very deep in intense self-reflection like hypnosis and meditation to retrieve clues and memories and facts that get called persecutory delusions yet they are based on fact and present me with an obstacle.

pity these kinds of things can't be talked about to a psychiatrist as it would go over their head

it goes over mine at times, the med increase has served me quite badly from enchanted place I was before it really kicked in, i wass getting back into magic

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Recovered45 wrote:

They re-wrote the medical books claiming schizophrenia is neuro-degenrative, showing brain scans to prove it.

This is pretty amusing given the recent study showing that a decent portion of schizophrenia sufferers spontaneously recover (I think the percentage was 30-40% in this study). There are living public/famous examples of this too. Rufus may comes to mind, a former schizophrenic who now works in clinical psychology.

People don't spontaneously permanently recover from parkinsons, or alzheimers, lol.

I don't remember hearing that in psych. Do medical textbooks really claim schizophrenia is neuro-degenerative? Seems absurd on the face of it.

Yup many of the college level ones do along with studies to back it up. So much of what is in the books is information that makes the student feel smart but is loose science and observations. All to get people on pills.

Razael wrote:the point is still there that psychiatry is seriously wrong about a whole lot of stuff and something should be done, they should pay for the injustice on a deep and disturbing level to them to realise the myths they carry around as fact and bias's of observing what they consider schizophrenic that might just be a person reaching spiritual upliftment and maybe in my case going very deep in intense self-reflection like hypnosis and meditation to retrieve clues and memories and facts that get called persecutory delusions yet they are based on fact and present me with an obstacle.

pity these kinds of things can't be talked about to a psychiatrist as it would go over their head

it goes over mine at times, the med increase has served me quite badly from enchanted place I was before it really kicked in, i wass getting back into magic

So well put! They just can understand spirituality, self-reflection and the like. Its our own minds trying to heal and make an understanding of the universe. And yahhh, tell them anything deep it goes well over there heads. The fact thing I agree with also, and having that discredited is painful.

Keep in mind that some of whom in history made statements that today we know are true like the existence of bacteria have been put in insane asylums.

Riccola wrote:Keep in mind that some of whom in history made statements that today we know are true like the existence of bacteria have been put in insane asylums.

Or have worked for military/gov organizations...

Some leading programs are highly spiritual/esoteric in nature compared to our "conventional" beliefs. For example, read up on "remote viewing", and it's adoption by the US gov since the 70's research at Stanford. And this is the public stuff! You wouldn't believe what else is out there - just not public releasable. You will NOT read about the leading stuff on Wikipedia (aka the source of all knowledge).

Riccola wrote:

femur wrote:The institution of psychiatry is like the reincarnation of the Catholic Church. I think every era in history has its corrupted systems. I wish I could answer this question. Possibly when there is a shift from a patriarchal modus operandi. There are a lot of connected issues that feed the monster so you can't really discuss just one component of "why psychiatry is so corrupted" in isolation from its context.

I do have to agree with you, not 100% but about 95%. There are many things that feed disinformation in psychiatry, but keep in mind every snake has a head. Everything has a controller.

Big Pharmaceutical companies are it. They have the money (billions) and thus the power to influence nearly every aspect of a psychiatrists training and the institution they work in. By doing so they can shift the system that is geared toward making new patients for there pills and keeping existing ones from getting better, thus nobody will get off pills. They have managed to bat around "mental illness is a life long disease, but it can be managed with medication" BS to both.

The studies they fund and control look legit but they are incredibly biased. Medical students with an expansive perception of relity are not welcome in that they may see the smeared over contradictions in the studies. They re-wrote the medical books claiming schizophrenia is neuro-degenrative, showing brain scans to prove it. What those brain scans dont factor in is that nearly all of those are from patients who for years have taken high amounts anti-psycotics.

Kinda what i thought a part of the couase was. im glad im not the only deluisnal one.

-- Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:51 pm --

they dont look at these illness or likely illness at any area of there feild, in every way, and every angle. Theres no way, this isent a quak science. they treat it like its rocket science. and on the feild they seem to take no responibilty, and they dont get held responisble, except for going against political currectness.

It may be better to view phatry and pychology as a element/mechism of war. There good at cornering you at every point and useing chemicals on you.