Psychiatry does not belive in God (atheism)

I've tried to get diagnosed religious and spiritual problems but they just claimed on my report that I was ongoingly deluded spiritually by even talking about it, what a sham they aren't qualified to judge peoples spiritual problems.....if it wasn't the sleep deprivation then it was a transcendent or existential crisis going deep within myself and stirring traumatic stimuli but it was about spiritual growth and emergence of true spirit and relationship with myslef.

Razael wrote:I've tried to get diagnosed religious and spiritual problems but they just claimed on my report that I was ongoingly deluded spiritually by even talking about it, what a sham they aren't qualified to judge peoples spiritual problems.....if it wasn't the sleep deprivation then it was a transcendent or existential crisis going deep within myself and stirring traumatic stimuli but it was about spiritual growth and emergence of true spirit and relationship with myslef.

All from that link I just posted:

"Instances of such confusion are not uncommon among people who become
dazzled by contact with truths too great or energies too powerful for their mental
capacities to grasp and their personality to assimilate"

"According to the modern view, illness
disrupts and endangers life, whereas the shaman experiences his sickness as a call
to restructure this life within himself so as to hear, see and live it more fully and
completely in a higher state of awareness"

"Based on Perry's research and other accounts of patients with positive outcomes, the
following eight themes were identified as occurring commonly in spiritual emergencies
1. Death: being dead, meeting the dead or meeting Death
2. Rebirth: new identity, new name, resurrection, apotheosis to god, king or
messiah
3. Journey: Sense of being on a journey or mission
4. Encounters with Spirits: demonic forces and/or helping spirits
5. Cosmic conflict: good/evil, communists/Americans, light/dark, male/female
6. Magical powers: telepathy, clairvoyance, ability to read minds, move objects
7. New society: radical change in society, religion, New Age, utopia, world peac
8. Divine union: God as father, mother, child; Marriage to God, Christ, Virgin
Mary, Radha or Krishna"

"The most important task is to give people in crisis a positive context for their
experiences and sufficient information about the process that they are going
through. It is essential that they move away from the concept of disease and
recognize the leading nature of their crisis..."


You could have course have asked the psychiatrist what their spiritual background qualifications were, but i suppose they'd have seen that as passive aggressive lol, and a threat to their sense of authority. Yes the sad thing is is that despite occasional mention of cultural or spiritual background, or spiritual and religious problems as a diagnosis, psychiatrists are given absolutely no education on any of these phenomena, and they could all do with a darn good read through that link I just posted, which covers a lot of the ground, from a clinical perspective.

I think a lot of what is passed as mental illness takes a specifically spiritual nature, connects to the growth of their personality, morality, universal spiritual concepts, other worlds, other entities and so forth. If you look at the definitions for example of the symptoms of new age awakening, and the symptoms of kundalini syndrom, you'll find its very hard to differentiate this from mental illness generally.

Of course, that link has some tips for differential diagnosis, but again, the materialist outlook of the psychiatrists themselves, and the writers of the dsm, preclude and are more or less antagonistic to spiritual ideas.

I think, in general, the religious and spiritual world should be more concerned about this than they are.

Personally I know that my own difficult experience were (past tense) some kind of awakening. They prompted me to become aware of realities I was unaware of, and to change in myself as well. I am a new person due to them. Yes, they were, totally overwhelming at first, and disorienting and brought out everything that was wrong with me. But thats the nature of receiving a large novel stream of information, like waking up on a new planet, or with new set of physics, it takes time to adapt and adjust - and its also the nature of abrupt personal change or "crisis". This is all well established in various spiritual traditions, from shamanism, to new age, to hinduism however much psychiatry would like to deny all spirituality and religion and enforce a materialist view of reality and conciousness.

Psychiatry, to the extent it has any scientific credibility with anyone other than Atheists like Sigmund Freud or Albert Ellis whom I attended a seminar with once, can not make untestable
claims. Science was created in European universities engaged in training people for Catholic
priesthood so it was never intended to be a substitute for religion but merely a branch of logic
dealing with describing things observable by everybody in simple terms for pragmatic utility
along the lines of the individual whose name has been lost to history who was asked by the
Jewish religious authorities for his opinion on Jesus being the Messiah and merely stated he
only knew that he had been blind but now could see. Many psychiatrists historically such as
Freud's student Carl Jung were actually very religious in their personal beliefs and there is no
legitimate reason to prohibit religious individuals from becoming psychiatrists although I'm
well aware considerable discrimination against religious individuals currently exists in the
whole university system today such as the individual who recently won a lawsuit after being
denied a job as an astronomer merely because of his personal religious beliefs. Psychiatry
like medicine or physics or sociology should not require a theology test or pretend its own
particular jargon is the one true way to describe and define the vast complexity of life.

In all cultures, there is a belief in God. This belief must be part of understanding humans as much as other beliefs and customs that follow from beliefs. The human is understood better through acceptance of beliefs, that help the person as good, and beliefs as holding at least some truth and possibly much truth. Acceptance of belief in God as true or at least good in psychiatry brings the discipline to one that aims to help humans. Otherwise, the actual human is not the subject of psychiatry.

So what, most psychiatrists don't believe in god, on that point they are probably right.

I mean what kind of god would author such a tragi-farce? If there is a god, then I think the gnostic conception of an evil demiurge is probably about right, or Bergman's vision of a spider-god, in whose universal web we are caught up like flies.

Religion is basically rooted in primitive fear, as well as human egotism and self-love, which explains why people love to create god in their own image, so that god, if he does exist, is as bigoted and stupid as the people who generally believe in him.

I am currently dealing with a war with the psychaitrist and its taking on a massive scale I have taken them to purgatory but they are giving him death glares and trying to bring him under stupid ###$, it was my idea that they experience a world witthhout god somehow stupid ###$ we have to knock some sense into these #####& stupid ###$ trying to bring god down, they are disgusting fools the world would be chaos and they aer to blame for ######6 the world up thhey want a godless world where they are king horrible grandeur delusions they have thinking they are superiour to god hhimself, something gotta change my psychaitrists are the worst I have helped many others release from psychaitry clutches and reclaim thier power and they are making a mess of them easier then I got because I am improtant and its a disgrace they ###$ me up with their drugs and lables trying to take me under by admitting I am a schizophrenic #######4 stupid fuks

Copy_Cat wrote:

Ian Reynir wrote:I think you have some interesting points about the relationship between psychiatric founders and a belief in God and spirituality, but I'm sure that psychiatry cares a lot more about money than it does about God.

An industry driven by profit motive by godless people who belive in nothing, not even karmic consequences. No wonder we have the "phamacaust" a fitting name for the psychiatric label and drug scam plaguing the population.

No wonder these souless people sell drugs with lies and cover up side effects time and time again until lawsuits expose this, http://www.psychsearch.net/lawsuits.html.


At least worlds biggest illegal drug dealers have have some religion and are HONEST about what they do. Santa Muerte, Spanish for Saint Death, is a sacred figure ...

I share your scepticism about psychiatry, but I have little respect for you now since you've revealed yourself to be basically a religious bigot.

Plenty of psychiatrists who are religious. In fact it's a common habit for them to say faith is good for you (tell that to the victims of religious wars in history, or children abused by Catholic priests). I think the main problem is that psychiatrists think they ARE god, or at least they think they have godlike powers.

Also, karma basically means action and consequences. It would be pretty impossible not to believe in that. I assume you're talking about past lives and all that stuff. A lot of Buddhists don't believe in that. The belief pre-dates Buddhism and is associated with Hinduism.

I think our actions are more important than whatever ancient or modern mythology we subscribe to.

This is the biggest schizotypal PD thread I have seen here.

Give in to the NWO LEL.

Of course psychiatry doesn't believe in God. It's neither a person or a religion. It's a science. Yes, there are psychiatrists and psychologists who do believe in God (Think James Dobson). Also, there are many psychiatrists and psychologists who incorporate faith into their therapies. I am sure this is to take into account a patients beliefs.

Check this out.

You have to understand that psychiatrists and psychologists treat people of widely varying beliefs, so to force any one religious belief on their patients would be unprofessional and wrong.

Atheism is literally "without religion".

Quite distinct from disbelief in a biblical god.
A god whose religions are riddled with contradiction and conflict.

Important to prevent Confusion, which our enemies would wish upon us.

Yes, all of medicine is materialist/physicalist,
an ideology which truncates both thinking and perception.
And the spiritual cowards of the Religion of Science intend keeping it that way.

Regardless of poor results, regardless of dark-matter being 90% of the mass of the universe,
they spurn all evidence that physicality is not an adequate model for Life,
and doctrinally assert that dark-matter is lifeless.
With thinking so careless, so obsessionally ignorant, the science of the mind is a travesty.

But it was not always so.
There exists a scientific tradition of exploring the capabilities of awareness,
a mature science that was nearly extinguished by the Holy Inquisition.
A heresy even unto today, despite its elegant superiority to today's primitive Medicine.