Psychiatry does not belive in God (atheism)

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In the late 1800s, psychiatrists first sought to replace religion with their “soulless science.” Today the assault on religion continues with devastating effects.

The term Psychiatry was first coined by the German physician Johann Christian Reil in 1808, and literally means the 'medical treatment of the soul' (psych-: soul; from Ancient Greek psykhē: soul; -iatry: medical treatment; from Gk. iātrikos: medical, iāsthai: to heal).

This Godless profession calls itself 'soul doctors' , there is some ugly irony.

Sigmund Freud one of psychiatrys heros, deals with the origins and nature of religious belief in several of his books and essays. Freud regards God as an illusion, based on the infantile need for a powerful father figure; religion, necessary to help us restrain violent impulses earlier in the development of civilization, can now be set aside in favor of reason and science.

Even school children are expected to accept unproven and controversial psychiatric theories about human behavior, answer provocative and personal questionnaires in the classroom, undergo psychiatric evaluations as a result and in many cases, endure enforced drugging—all of which does not bode well for the future of our young.

Soul 1.The spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal.

They say you don't have one.

I think you have some interesting points about the relationship between psychiatric founders and a belief in God and spirituality, but I'm sure that psychiatry cares a lot more about money than it does about God.

Ian Reynir wrote:I think you have some interesting points about the relationship between psychiatric founders and a belief in God and spirituality, but I'm sure that psychiatry cares a lot more about money than it does about God.

An industry driven by profit motive by godless people who belive in nothing, not even karmic consequences. No wonder we have the "phamacaust" a fitting name for the psychiatric label and drug scam plaguing the population.

No wonder these souless people sell drugs with lies and cover up side effects time and time again until lawsuits expose this, http://www.psychsearch.net/lawsuits.html.


At least worlds biggest illegal drug dealers have have some religion and are HONEST about what they do. Santa Muerte, Spanish for Saint Death, is a sacred figure ...

they have no concept of spirit or energy so does most of western medicine not understand energy. yet they deal in myth of chemicals in the brain, thats worse then hypothesising energy. Like I'm sure most identify with feeling in psychosis relating to abnormal energy in the body and the mind reflects this. Knowing I could heal my mind through the body was considered deluded.

spirit includes the fact that some may go through initiatory crisis, that encapsulates a greater diversity of the potentials of the human mind, it is not even considered in psychiatry, there is no drug for it except antipsychotics and labeling it schizophrenia. with training or guidance in spirituality or maybe transpersonal therapy many will recover..

transpersonal therapy is more embracing of spiritual themes and interactions with god forces.

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they shudder now when I bring up a goddess or that I learning High magic...I could see them in my peripheral light up when I said about it at my cto hearing.

my theory its something to do with the fallen angels that taught mankind, or something worse that drives the pharmakia industry, maybe greed or some fetish with labeling people and experimenting on them.

psychiatry is a religion...it thinks it supersedes everything else that explains existence in this profound universe.....there are many planes of existence that supersedes that of a psychiatrist occupied with material concerns and superficial symptoms. When normal person would go through the same thing with expanse of consciousness...perhaps misinterpretations but that comes with wisdom of how to enter into psychotic states and out again unharmed or with no attachment to what might have been communicated through spirits making for delusions in out appreciation of abstract information about the outside world.

It's an interesting thing when one considers ontology, and metaphysics.

Psychiatry a priori makes the assumption that conciousness is an emergent property of complex informations systems (which of course, does not in itself explain the phenomena in any way, as a philosophical aside this whole approach to the hard problem of conciousness seems very silly to me, even as a student of neurobiology).

That is to say psychiatry is a philosophically materialist or physicalist position, full backers of the whole brain-mind hypothesis, and deniers of any form of spiritual or religious experience.

But these things are not evidenced - this emergence theory (leaving aside for the moment the lack of evidence for individual mental illnesses, lol). The basic assumption that their is one, linear, definable reality, and no other reachable realities, is the assumption. Again, this is not truely an empirical position, it is an a priori assumption, a beleif system, a faith.

And yet that is not the assumption of many philosophies, practices and religions around the world. Psychiatry attempts to side step this glaring problem by individually counting out those specific religious beliefs, mainly the common traditional ones - but not as those beliefs, more broadly, apply to mental illness (for example the pacific island beleif that "mentally ill" people are in fact seers, or the similar veiws of shamanism).

I think it would be entirely valid to argue that psychiatry is a materialist philosophies assault on spirituality, religion and conciousness generally.

Who's to say that one cannot interact with other dimensions or experiences, or indeed that we truely know anything about the fundamental nature of conciousness?

I can see, personally that this is a valid angle, and view.

One time, I described my experience of feeling what others are thinking, as a kind of synchronicity or osmotic effect, that occured on a subtle level. The language I use confounded the heavy materialists and it was noted as a delusion.

Later one, a few years later, I described the exact same phenomena, in language they could understand better as "a general sense of what someones mental energy was" and something that i couldn't pick up on all the time. They noted that as a purely spiritual beleif, not a delusion and let it pass.

But it was the exact same phenomena both times, all that changed was the wording, and who was listening!

Psychologists are taught to watch for spiritual beleifs, and cultural beleifs (again only mainstream, traditional well known ones), but I wonder are they really watching at all, instead of just avoiding obvious lawsuits.

In the modern day for example, new age religion practitioners talk to aliens, angels and demons (channelling), and draw them into their body sometimes (walk-ins). Neo-shamans travel to other dimensions and reals, and talk to other people. People experience kundaluni in eastern religions sometimes fall victim to "kundaluni syndrome" (basically a sort of aborted or malfunctioning enlightenment) which has a set of symptoms really indistiguishable from most common mental illnesses.

It surely cannot be so easy to differentiate all these phenomena, if it is even at all possible, from the experiences of supposedly mental ill people, without first assuming, that none of these phenomena are ever real!

Which is the point. Psychiatry is thus it would seem, by definition, an ontological war against spirituality and religion.

Of course its not hard to see parallels between "mental illness" and spiritual experience. Time travel to the distant past, or future (creation, or armageddon), wars between good and evil, trickery, travelling to the afterlife, or beleiving one has died, are actually all realitively common mystic experiences (and themes of religious books). If one looks up mystic experiences, you will find these things listed. You will also see them in "mental illness", as "delusions".

Indeed, even in jungian terms, the common believe one is jesus, or being followed by secret societies like the illuminati, could be seen as a reflection of the universal unconcious, where would not dismiss these things as "wiring malfunctions", but symbolic reflections of emotions and experience, drawn from the cultural language of the time. Or they could be socially coded symbols for real spiritual phenomena, presented in such an information overload way that the person becomes dysfunctional (like the kundulini syndrome), or people actually connecting in a similar way to past, present, or future events.

I think what people often fail to see, is that psychiatry in taking this position, isn't merely making a medical assumption, about a range of unproven illnesses, it is in fact making an ontological assumption about reality, its nature, and the nature of conciousness - its making far bigger leaps than merely inventing a few diseases - and these leaps are leaps that a lot of people, I would guess that well over 50% of people globally would disagree with.

I just posted on the bipolar forum an exerpt from T. Szasz's article "The myth of mental illness: 50 years later".

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It references the story of MacBeth, where the "divine" and "ministry" to oneself is more important than the doctor. I think it's a good example...

It is noteworthy that thought entirely underutilized, the dsm-iv actually had a catergory, beleive it or not for "spiritual or religious problem", although individual psychologists woeful lack of understanding about these phenomena have basically made the classification redundant.

Heres some interesting writing about various forms of phenomena, that could have fallen into the catergory, but have subsequently been basically ignored by psychiatry:

http://www.spiritualcompetency.com/dsm4 ... roblem.pdf

Apparently more research was done during the compilation of the upcoming dsm-5. One wonders, if a patient could ever refer to the catergory of "spiritual or religious problem", or indeed to any form of spiritual phemomena in a clinical setting re:diagnosis, given the vast amount of overlap with the symptoms of schizophrenia, bi-polar, psychosis etc.

(Who doesn't have some kind of relationship with god, or with other beings or dimensions in such an experience?)