Psychiatrists don't know about suffering

Good quote that.

Is that why the first one I saw was a miserable old cow?

I wonder how many are just doing it for the Money.They must realise that no-one under long term Psychiatric care ever gets better?........Well have they?

My mother did. So did her sister. So did at least three of my friends who saw psychiatrists for a while (like, years). My mother saw psychiatrists for twelve years, until they finally managed to convince her that she could take control of her life and deal with her symptoms, which she has done, with no psychiatric help, for nearly twenty years now.

So, yes, people have.

psychiatrists do not know the cause of any of the mental illness's they have invented. so without knowing the cause, it stands to reason they cant cure anything. they certainly should not be prescribing harmful brain damaging drugs to millions of people when they cant even qualify as a legitimate feild of medicine.

most people just recover on their own over time (so long as they haven't taken to many psych drugs which will impede recovery) as they have no disease.

I'm hoping to beccome a psychologist.. trying to get the grades to study psychology at manchester uni.

My therapist was sexually abused all through childhood and she claims that this helps her to become a stronger person and all that shizz.. I'm not sure

But I know thats what I want to do with my life..

My friends say that I'm too insecure and I cannot deal with my own issues nevermind anybody elses..

They're probably right.. =s Thats one reason why I'd like to overcome stuff so much.

But this has more to do with mental instability rather than mental illness... so its probably not directly connected to the topic of conversation at all.. sorry.

Tragically, what you are suggesting is processed in reverse: Psychiatrists don't "prescribe" therapy. On the contrary, it is a therapist who refers you to a Psychiatrist because he/she assesses that medication may be in order, as the therapist or counselor feels that the patient is beyond their reach in terms of simply talking about the problem; if they even have a question about whether someone has a chemical imbalance, they refer the patient to a Psychiatrist where there is less talk and more drug pushing.

In the case of a close family member, her regular M.D. prescribed Cymbalta, which is Pfizer's version of Effexor ( a Serotonin AND Norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor) simply b/c she complained of normal life stressors at home and at work (ie. husband doesn't help with the toddler enough, occasional headache from stress, etc.).

The drug company is marketing Cymbalta for depression and pain, since the above mentioned brain chemicals are two out of four which repress pain and induce felaxation and happiness.

Needless to say, this family member was too embarrassed to tell anyone, but she suffered torturous side effects from the meds and was not advised about quick cessasion of the medication, nor did her doctor do a follow up visit to see how she reacted to it. I work for a mental health facility in the public sector, so I'm privy to the behavior of drug reps, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that drug companies make money, and we all know that money rules ALL sectors. If the UK cares more about its citizens (not just politicians themselves), I'll be the first to relocate!

Another good read, btw, is "Prozac Backlash."

Shay Sweet wrote:Psychiatrists don't "prescribe" therapy. On the contrary, it is a therapist who refers you to a Psychiatrist because he/she assesses that medication may be in order, as the therapist or counselor feels that the patient is beyond their reach in terms of simply talking about the problem; if they even have a question about whether someone has a chemical imbalance, they refer the patient to a Psychiatrist where there is less talk and more drug pushing.

There was a mental health facility once that had both therapists and psychiatrists in the same area but it never lasted a month. Both don't agree with each other. They had a patient that does not want to take medication any longer but the psychiatrist refused but the therapist thinks it's ok. The therapist won. If the patient knows how dangerous the drugs are, a high percentage would choose the non-drug approach.

Shay Sweet wrote:Tragically, what you are suggesting is processed in reverse: Psychiatrists don't "prescribe" therapy.

In the UK it's actually not uncommon to find psychiatrists 'prescribing' therapy - lots will (and often do) refer a patient to a psychologist, or occupational therapist, or group therapy accross the whole spectrum of disorders.

What tends to happen here (we don't really go in for therapy in the same way - here, if you're having problems you go see your GP) is we first see our family doctor (GP). They refer the patient (if they think it's neccessary) to a psychiatric team, patient then usually ends up under a psychiatrist. From there the psychiatrist will usually suggest therapy of some description, either as part of a group, or with a particular therapist.

It's still not a good system (psychiatrist is usually seen as being in charge and most people end up in his office first for a start ) but there is a much greater emphasis in the UK on the benefits to be had from alternative forms of therapy like cognitive therapy, and referral via the psychiatrist is certainly commonplace.

i've heard that some psychiatrists in the UK have referred patients to the hearing voices network, which is a fully consumer/survivor run self help organisation.

i've had a psychologist refer me to an alchemist. i still haven't gone. it's been years since that referral. I don’t see the point. this alchemist (even if he was good) could only tell me what I already know.

You're right guest, I was referred to the hearing voices network by a psychiatrist (who also told me she would rather I explored the experience and learnt ways of dealing with the voices than took pills because of them).

Psychiatrists do regularly carry out referrals of that type here, sometimes as an alternative to medication, sometimes in conjunction with.

Anonymous wrote:from my experience, once your labeled schizophrenic a psychiatrists wont even talk things through with you as you are regarded as having no insight.

if your on a forced treatment order you cannot swap docs, your just stuck in hell with an asshole making value judgements about you and forcefully drugging you to death.

Exactly what iv seen my poor husband go through over here which is why I hate psychiatry so much.Anything he says or does is useless because "hes mad after all".Which he is not