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28 year old untreated schizophrenic stabs mother 77 times

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28 year old untreated schizophrenic stabs mother 77 times

Postby Concerned Citizen » Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:55 am

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/JeremyPerkins/

On March 13, 2003, Jeremy Perkins, a 28 year old untreated schizophrenic, stabbed his mother Elli 77 times. She bled to death on her bedroom floor. Jeremy is currently being held at Rochester Psychiatric Center, having been found not responsible for Elli's murder by reason of mental disease or defect.

Perkins, his mother and father, his sister, and her husband are all members of the Church of Scientology, a group that believes modern psychiatric medicine derives from an ancient alien civilization's plot to drug and enslave humanity. Scientologists like Tom Cruise vehemently and publicly oppose the pharmacological treatment of mental illness. Unfortunately, Scientology's own brand of therapy, called "auditing", is worthless.

Elli Perkins was a senior auditor (counselor) at the Church of Scientology of Buffalo, New York. Her son-in-law, Jeff Carlson, is the Executive Director of that church. Jeremy himself had taken Scientology courses there, and was even flown out to Los Angeles to join Scientology's paramilitary Sea Organization, although he was promptly sent back home due to his mental problems.

After consulting a Scientologist osteopath, Dr. Conrad Maulfair, Elli was treating Jeremy with vitamins, which he disliked. Within hours of Elli's murder, which occurred on L. Ron Hubbard's birthday, the Church of Scientology initiated a crash cover-up to hide its connections to the case. Jeremy's family has since "disconnected" from him, per Scientology policy. This web site reveals Scientology's true role in the death of Elli Perkins and the destruction of Jeremy's life.


Anti-Psychiatry: Ruining lives one mother and son at a time.
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Postby Guest » Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:47 am

STOP STIGMATISING PEOPLE LABELED AS HAVING SCHIZOPHRENIA AS DANGEROUS MURDERERS.

PEOPLE LABELED SCHIZOPHRENIA ARE NO MORE VIOLENT THAN THE REST OF THE POPULATION. DO YOUR RESEARCH.

YOUR LINK IS OBVIOUSLY JUST ANOTHER DRUG COMPANY FORCED DRUGGING FOR PROFIT SITE.

IN A JUST WORLD THE MEDIA WOULD PUBLISH THE MEDICAL RECORDS OF EVERY MURDERER. IT COULD TURN OUT THAT ASTHMATICS ARE MORE LIKELY TO COMMIT MURDER THAN THE AVERAGE PERSON???
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Postby MADAASS PSYCHIATRIST » Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:05 am

Anti-Psychiatry: Ruining lives one mother and son at a time


MORE LIKE PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS ARE TURNING PEOPLE INTO USELESS ZOMBIES.PSYCHIATRY HAS NEVER CURED ANYONE WITH SO CALLED "SCHIZOPHRENIA" ANYWAY
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Postby Guest » Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:32 am

That is so sad. It just shows how treatment should be tailored to each individual; there is no 'one size fits all' answer with this type of illness. Sometimes that might mean drug therapy at least in the interim and condemning it won't help anyone.

But the saddest thing of all is that nobody will really hear the true story here. The pro-psych lot will all use it to show that meds must be used. The anti lot will all just shout that it doesn't, but he just didn't get the support he needed to 'control his thoughts'. The media will keep portraying sz as a dangerous illness that means we must all be locked away.

The real tragedy is that this family, who have already suffered terribly, are now going to be made part of this ridiulous media circus, used as 'evidence' of whatever each side wants to show.

But these were real people; they had lives that fell apart for reasons none of us can truly know, and nobody is in a position to judge what might have been different under other circumstances.

I hope we can remember that these people have suffered a terrible loss; and that they are, under everything else, human beings and not a part of some crusade for someone else's argument's sake.

RIP Elli Perkins. :(
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Postby Guest » Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:40 am

i've lost count on how many mass school shootings and murders that have occured whilst the perpetrator of these crimes were on psychotropic drugs prescribed by psychiatrists.

this Jeremy Perkins should be thrown in jail. to hell with the insanity defence.
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Postby Guest » Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:05 am

Anonymous wrote:That is so sad. It just shows how treatment should be tailored to each individual; there is no 'one size fits all' answer with this type of illness. Sometimes that might mean drug therapy at least in the interim and condemning it won't help anyone. (


given there is no known cause for sz and no diagnostic lab test to identify this unknown cause of sz, prescribing powerful mind altering drugs that in clinical trials have been shown to increase the risk of violence, advocating antipsychotics is a ridiculous suggestion.
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Postby Guest » Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:26 am

statistics show 1 in 100 people get labeled sz

statistics also show people labeled sz are no more violent than the general population.

People not labeled sz commit the overwhelming violent incidents. 99% in fact.

it really pisses me off that any violent act committed by someone labeled sz always make the headlines in the media. "a schizophrenic has committed murder". yet the media gives very little of the personal background of the other 99% of violent crimes (murders).

the overwhelming majority of people labeled sz are not violent and are not a threat to anyone. these types of articles (above) expand an unsubstantiated myth that all sz's are violent and must be forcefully drugged. this is a tragedy for the overwhelming majority of sz's that are peacefull and a threat to no one. to be drugged with toxic chemicals designed to give a chemical lobotomy when no crime has been committed is a violation of human rights.

the above article does nothing to improve the human rights of people that are different.
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Postby Guest » Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:30 pm

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That is so sad. It just shows how treatment should be tailored to each individual; there is no 'one size fits all' answer with this type of illness. Sometimes that might mean drug therapy at least in the interim and condemning it won't help anyone. (


given there is no known cause for sz and no diagnostic lab test to identify this unknown cause of sz, prescribing powerful mind altering drugs that in clinical trials have been shown to increase the risk of violence, advocating antipsychotics is a ridiculous suggestion.


FFS! I didn't advocate psychotropic drugs!! I said condemning the use of drug therapy won't help anyone - and that *SOMETIMES* it *MIGHT* help *IN THE INTERIM* - is THAT clear enough for you??!

You have just confirmed my fear that these people are just being sucked into your own pathetic media circus with no regard for their individual humanity. To start on about the use (or not) of psychotropic drugs is just pathetic. The man was untreated - what happened cannot be blamed on the use of psychotropic drugs in any way. There is no way to say whether or not treating him could have prevented this; but to start bleating on yet again about drugs causing this kind of tragedy is ridiculous.

I hate the fact that this kind of reporting means that myths are perpetuated. I also hate the fact that you just carry on with the same old song, without apparently given a stuff about actually thinking for yourself.

Most of all I hate the fact that this family are dehumanised and used because this, by all sides.

Sickening.
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Postby Guest » Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:16 pm

i totally reject the medical model for behavior.

a so-called 'psychotic' person is responsible for their actions.
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Postby Guest » Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:18 am

My god, you people seriously make me sick. Zealots really a pain and a half to deal with.

First off let me just say this, have any of you dealt with mental illness first hand? Or did you just come in here to rant about statistics. Well I have news for you, mental illness isn't about statistics, it's about people, living people.

My brother suffers from mental illness, and he's doing a lot better now, thankfully because he has such a great doctor. But he does have a form of SZ and he has attempted to harm my parents and me before. So unless you haven't lived something first hand, don't judge it based on ignorant beliefs.

Secondly I'd like to add that the brain is a very complex organ in the human body. You can almost compare it to that of a computer. You ever seen computers run programs and go whacky because of a bad code?

And another thing, chemical imbalance is real. If you don't believe me go get incredibly drunk off your bottom, or go shoot up some drugs. Sure enough guess what.. chemicals cause your brain to function differently! Wow! isn't that something??? And if you all remember chemistry some chemicals can counter act other chemicals! Wow!

Medication can help, it's just a matter of if it IS needed and getting a proper dosage. Therapy is also helpful.

The mind is a powerful tool. It can surpress many things in the subconsious. And I hate to say it, but have you ever seen a murderer with normal behavior? There's usually something not right with them. I'm sorry but if you like to hurt others because it feels good, that's a problem. Just like people who hurt themselves is a problem.

I'm not labeling people with mental disorder as killers. EVERYONE and ANYONE can have some form of disorder big or small. No one was created perfect we all have flaws. It's just some people need help more than others.

I know many friends with psychological disorders. And even myself . I've experienced this first hand, so if you want to make a debate on how drugs shouldn't be used to aid people with mental illness I suggest you go and get a lesson or two. Ignorance won't get you anywhere.
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