How Many Die On Antipsychotics

I became curious about the dangers of antipsychotics when I read that tens of thousands have been permanently damaged on antipsychotics. Presumably we don't hear too much from the victims because in order to get the small amount of compensation that they do they have to sign a non disclosure agreement.

So I wanted to know how many people die on antipsychotics. All that I could find was this page http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/how_many_people_prescribed_cloza which contains some letters exchanged between someone who wants to know details of deaths on antipsychotics and a UK government department.

Surprisingly, given the fact that the questioner asks a very straight forward question she does not get an answer. Instead she basically gets fobbed of. Unsurprisingly she begins to get suspicious and at some point starts asking if they are covering up a terrible secret.

The terrible secret would be that the antipsychotic depot injection is designed to result in death (maybe liver failure) and governments use it kill criminals/undesirables, who can be injected without consent.

It may seem unlikely but if this sight, http://www.cchr.org/, is to be believed psychiatry has an evil history which may have continued to this day. For example they say that some cases of genocide have been orchestrated by psychiatrists. What we do know for sure is that a person can be imprisoned in the mental health system without due process and forced to take antipsychotic medicine without there being any scientific proof that they have an illness. Criminals are very vulnerable to being forced to take the depot injection. In the psychiatric system you can be completely stripped of your human rights. That such a system can exist legally should set alarm bells ringing.

I think you've hit the nail on the head. Mental disorders are not the only ones where big pharma has hidden agendas. The agenda is simple, make a lot of money. This is not entirely for the benefit of the individual. Good post - thanks!

My psychiatrist tells me most of her patients respond well to treatment. Me and almost everyone I know seems to not. I don't know. I gotta say, its an alarming possibility.

motionissue wrote:My psychiatrist tells me most of her patients respond well to treatment. Me and almost everyone I know seems to not. I don't know. I gotta say, its an alarming possibility.

I spent 100s of hours in group therapy recovering from psych meds and it seemed like almost everyone on meds only complained about side effects and that the meds don't work. I never heard anyone say anything all that good besides naming a sleep med that worked. The doctor wanted me to try Zoloft and mabey Abilify and I was like WTF you wan't me to try doing the same thing (psych meds) that got me here, psych meds ! Abilify ? WTF I already told you sitting still is difficult, don't you know about Abilify akathisia ? I said.

Then I asked for a chemical imbalance test, no sh_it and she said "there expensive" I was like "realy, how much" I don't know she tells me.

Dumb pill pushing doctors are everywhere.

[quote="Copy_Cat"]I spent 100s of hours in group therapy recovering from psych meds and it seemed like almost everyone on meds only complained about side effects and that the meds don't work. [quote]

That is exactly what 99% of my many visits to bipolar/mental heatlh support groups yeilded for me too. People talk SO much more about the medications than the challenges that they are facing and good ways to take on those challenges.

I'd add that fascilitators of these groups are limited by the weakest members in the group, who often are unable to articulate or understand much beyond meds and super-basic coping skills. That's a reason why I think a lot of us stop going eventually. Eventually, people like me who don't take meds get bored of the constant talks about meds. And if we ever mention that meds can be seriously harmful and that long-term effects are unknown, then we get isolated from the rest of the group very quickly. Kinda defeats the purpose of a support group.

edgnbd wrote:It may seem unlikely but if this sight, http://www.cchr.org/, is to be believed psychiatry has an evil history which may have continued to this day.

That depends if you believe in Lord Xenu and Thetans and all the other fancy stuff Scientology has come up with. For wasting so much energy on finding out how "big pharma" tries to rip you off your money, you seem fascinatingly blind on the other eye.

Asto wrote:

edgnbd wrote:It may seem unlikely but if this sight, http://www.cchr.org/, is to be believed psychiatry has an evil history which may have continued to this day.

That depends if you believe in Lord Xenu and Thetans and all the other fancy stuff Scientology has come up with. For wasting so much energy on finding out how "big pharma" tries to rip you off your money, you seem fascinatingly blind on the other eye.

I actually just watched this video and it didn't focus on big pharma at all. However, this video did focus on psychiatry and it's incredibly ugly history. I'm glad that US is not as bad as Nazi Germany, but we've still got a long way to go before healing is prioritized.

Anwyay, edgnbd - thanks for the post - I really enjoyed that link you posted.

Copycat, I see what you mean. It was hard for me to decide to give meds another chance because of past experiences on them. And my doc doesn't seem to really care to address me concerns on the long terms side effects, instead she just says there'll be brain damage from having the illness itself without treatment (does she know this for a fact, back it up withe evidence?). I asked for evidence and she said she didn't want to debate it. It was frustrating. I don't want to debate either, I just would like to be able to weigh my odds myself, if I'm going to incur damage either way, I'd rather choose for myself what damage. And is this even proven? I don't even know.

Ian Reynir wrote: That is exactly what 99% of my many visits to bipolar/mental heatlh support groups yeilded for me too. People talk SO much more about the medications than the challenges that they are facing and good ways to take on those challenges.

I'd add that fascilitators of these groups are limited by the weakest members in the group, who often are unable to articulate or understand much beyond meds and super-basic coping skills. That's a reason why I think a lot of us stop going eventually. Eventually, people like me who don't take meds get bored of the constant talks about meds. And if we ever mention that meds can be seriously harmful and that long-term effects are unknown, then we get isolated from the rest of the group very quickly. Kinda defeats the purpose of a support group.

Yeah, I never found support groups of much help either.

motionissue wrote:Copycat, I see what you mean. It was hard for me to decide to give meds another chance because of past experiences on them. And my doc doesn't seem to really care to address me concerns on the long terms side effects, instead she just says there'll be brain damage from having the illness itself without treatment (does she know this for a fact, back it up withe evidence?). I asked for evidence and she said she didn't want to debate it. It was frustrating. I don't want to debate either, I just would like to be able to weigh my odds myself, if I'm going to incur damage either way, I'd rather choose for myself what damage. And is this even proven? I don't even know.

Again, you said "I asked for evidence and she said she didn't want to debate it" ! To bad, you have the right to Informed consent and "debates".

Informed consent ! Demand it.

A Model Consent Form for Psychiatric Drug Treatment by David Cohen, Ph.D and David Jacobs, Ph.D. http://laingsociety.org/colloquia/polofdiagnosis/modelconsent.htm
Psychiatric Patients Have the Right to Informed Consent
Informed consent is an essential human right which was guaranteed by the Nuremberg Code and an ethical principle approved by the World Health Organization, the United Nations and even the US government. This is a human right that all human beings have under both international law and under US Constitutional law. Mental health professionals need to honor the ethical and human rights principle of informed consent. The human right to have informed consent is a right that even prisoners of war and convicted felons have and yet mental health patients, who have been charged with no crime, have been routinely denied this basic human right. As a third party decision maker, the legal guardian stands for the human rights of the patient when the patient is incapacitated. The legal guardian needs to stand firm and insist that he/she be fully informed regarding all medical treatment choices including the dangers of all drugs and treatments given.

Read More: http://medicalwhistleblower.blogspot.com/2011/11/psychiatric-patients-have-right-to.html

Thank you Copycat! I didn't even know that. I hate when people play on your lack of knowledge. I had a sheriff do that, trying to say I was suicidal, basically my mom told him that, and I said I simply am sick of the way my life is going, not suicidal. Yet they ignored what I said and played on my ignorance of the law, now I'm talking to the legal aid folks. They tried telling me I have no rights.