countrys with worst rights for mental illness?

Rights defined as a lack of choice to the individual or individuals.
Witch country's have the worst rights for people with mental illness? and Or worst abuses to patients from a patient perspective. I cant seem to find a list of these any-ware.

western world who can afford to force everyone to take prescription drugs? I've heard some exceptions when I brought up third world countries having the best outcomes from their community support as apposed to compulsory drugging, that some third world countries use barbaric methods like in the old days of biological treatments before drugs were developed, but this is from a source that often use misinformation, the nurses and doctors of western world. Apparently Nigeria and india have better outcomes yet so a nurse told me they may resort to barbaric methods from time to time, but as I said nurses and doctors can't be trusted as they are trying to promote the use of drugs and false claims of superiority with "state of the art" treatments, all empty words that don't fool me, they only fool the politicians.

Finland is the best from what I know, they have an open dialogue treatment that uses minimal antipsychotics and the best results worldwide for psychosis at least... western world is really backward in archaic methods and intimidation forced treatments and betrayal of rights..the quacks and nurses still claim psychiatry has come a long way but this is deceiving as usual practice of trying to make patients compliant to standards of western world.

bump for any lists from anything to do with negative things by hospitals in different county's? Need a black list of where to avoid....

-- Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:13 am --

cantremembermyname wrote:bump for any lists from anything to do with negative things by hospitals in different county's? Need a black list of where to avoid....

anything really, hosptials by stay, ECT, psycho surgery. poor effectiveness in treatment. any links or anything? comparisons between country's. somoene has to know where this is.

I appologise for my poor wrighting skills.

Well, China classified homosexuality as mental illness up into the 21st century.

Indonesia sounds pretty bad. For example:

Ketut Lingga, 54, has schizophrenia and is one of more than 15,000 Indonesians with a mental illness who are either chained, caged or placed in primitive stocks, according to health ministry data, AFP’s Angela Dewan reports.
They are known as ‘pasung’ – which loosely translates to “shackled’’— and are considered lost causes. Lingga's family shackled him 30 years ago, and he has never been unchained since. When he is relaxed, he rarely moves or speaks, but during an episode, his family fears him.
“He attacked me one day, so we had no choice but to chain him up,’’ Lingga's sister-in-law, Wayan Reti, 50, told AFP at her home in eastern Bali's Karangasem district.
“He ripped off my clothes and tried to strangle me, and he's been shackled ever since. What else could we do?''

I'd also nominate any country where there are low rates of education and a prevalence of superstitious beliefs, such as that mental illness is caused by evil spirits.

the best studies are probably done by the WHO in terms of how much mental illness is really a problem in other cultures. Use of antipsychotics is one marker for countries with poorer outcomes and more life long illness's perhaps initiatedd by the drugs themselves.
http://www.madinamerica.com/2010/04/schizophrenia/ its one of the links on this page for WHO studies

-- Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:34 pm --

the best studies are probably done by the WHO in terms of how much mental illness is really a problem in other cultures. Use of antipsychotics is one marker for countries with poorer outcomes and more life long illness's perhaps initiatedd by the drugs themselves.
http://www.madinamerica.com/2010/04/schizophrenia/ its one of the links on this page for WHO studies

Razael wrote:Finland is the best from what I know, they have an open dialogue treatment that uses minimal antipsychotics and the best results worldwide for psychosis at least....

Unfortunately not true. Finnish mental death care is #&%". I'm from Finland and I can tell you that The Open Dialogue Approach is just for people living in a certain area. I have been involuntarily held in Finnish mental death care and I'm traumatised for life, I was involuntarily drugged heavily with Haldol, Zyprexa, Seroquel and Valium and I was treated like #&%#. Finland uses a lot of Involuntary commitment and most people don't seem to be very happy about how they are treated.

The problem is is that there is so little quantitative data, data relating to the amount of people locked up and force treated, so the best you can do is examine the statute books of a given country or state, but this obviously doesn't enlighten one as to the amount of people impacted by these laws. It is hardly surprising that, in my country and america (I can't speak for other countries), they don't bother to keep records. Then they wouldn't be able to treat coercion as a kind of historical curosity or as something so rare that its existence supposedly shouldn't be a matter of great concern (for anyone, that is, whose freedom and health isn't impinged upon by it).

Absolute zero wrote:Unfortunately not true. Finnish mental death care is #&%". I'm from Finland and I can tell you that The Open Dialogue Approach is just for people living in a certain area.

Thank you for posting this and sharing your experiences. It definitely makes me think twice about the information I am receiving. I'm sorry to hear that your experiences have been so negative.

Where did this article come from? Id like to read the whole thing. THat is atrocious, it cannot be legal to shackle someone in this day and age.

javert wrote:Indonesia sounds pretty bad. For example:

Ketut Lingga, 54, has schizophrenia and is one of more than 15,000 Indonesians with a mental illness who are either chained, caged or placed in primitive stocks, according to health ministry data, AFP’s Angela Dewan reports.
They are known as ‘pasung’ – which loosely translates to “shackled’’— and are considered lost causes. Lingga's family shackled him 30 years ago, and he has never been unchained since. When he is relaxed, he rarely moves or speaks, but during an episode, his family fears him.
“He attacked me one day, so we had no choice but to chain him up,’’ Lingga's sister-in-law, Wayan Reti, 50, told AFP at her home in eastern Bali's Karangasem district.
“He ripped off my clothes and tried to strangle me, and he's been shackled ever since. What else could we do?''

I'd also nominate any country where there are low rates of education and a prevalence of superstitious beliefs, such as that mental illness is caused by evil spirits.