countrys with worst rights for mental illness?

Cheze2 wrote:

Copy_Cat wrote:People with 'real' mental illness

let's not try to say that there is a "real" mental illness and a made up one and try to label people ourselves.

What is attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder?

This is what the Pharma front group NAMI has to say,

"Attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) is an illness characterized by inattention, hyperactivity and impulsivity. The most commonly diagnosed behavior disorder in young persons, ADHD affects an estimated three percent to five percent of school-age children."

For more on NAMI the pharma front group check this out ,

In 2004, NAMI opposed the placement of "black box" warnings on antidepressants determined to cause suicide in under-18 year olds, and in 2006 opposed black box warnings on ADHD drugs causing heart attack, stroke and sudden death in children in 2006. Despite overwhelming evidence of serious adverse cardiac events and sudden deaths caused by ADHD drugs, in 2006 NAMI took the position that the “black box” warning on ADHD drugs was “premature.” Also, on December 18, 2003, The New York Times exposed that NAMI had bused scores of protestors to a hearing in Frankfort, Kentucky, took out full page ads in Kentucky newspapers, and sent angry faxes to state officials, all to protest a state panel proposal to exclude the antipsychotic drug Zyprexa from Medicaid’s list of preferred medications. According to the article, “What the advocacy groups did not say at the time was that the buses, ads and faxes were all paid for” by the manufacturer of the antipsychotic drug Zyprexa, Eli Lilly

Read more http://www.sourcewatch.or/index.php?title=National_Alliance_on_Mental_Illness

What was I just talking about ? oh ya, ADD

Maybe I "have" ADD, but it's not an "illness", I am not sick from ADD. An illness is the same thing as a sickness. My ADD "symptoms" do not endanger my health or life.

Maybe its a disability but no way is it an illness or sickness.

Cheze2 wrote:1013- I understand that you have an issue with the word/label "mental illness". People can and do experience extreme emotional states however.

So, what does extreme emotional states have to do with anything. If someone is too emotional maybe they simply need to calm down. You don't need any medicine or to be locked up to calm down and just because you are emotional does not mean you are a threat to yourself or someone else. Lastly, I have a issue with people treating opinions as facts or violating people with nothing more than an opinion to fall back on. So, the issue is not the label of mental illness it is the fact that this stuff ignores facts and is not built off of facts. So, I don't get your point in pointing out that people have what you consider "extreme emotional states", which once again is simply your opinion. What you consider extreme is normal to someone else. In America most people take baths daily, but that is not the practice in every country. If you live in a cold weather state all your life whats extremely cold to you is not extremely cold to someone else else because you are used to it. Somethings are over the top to most people but these things are usually substantiated by facts not opinions. That is once again my point and my long running issue. The mental health field does not care about facts.

My vote for countrys with worst rights for mental illness is "first world" countries.

Besides having been assaulted by psychiatry myself after being made sick from there drugs after falling for the serotonin scam looking for the quick fix to my "anxiety depression".

I saw many people undergo psychiatric assault, its not pretty.

Below is first world,

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Psychiatric prisoners and survivors typically experience forced treatment or treatment without “informed consent” as cruel and inhumane punishment or torture. Psychiatrists rarely inform their prisoners about the many serious effects or risks of their treatments and alternatives, especially non-medical community alternatives such as self-help groups, advocacy groups, crisis centers, co-op housing, supportive housing and drop-ins run by psychiatric survivors. All this despite the fact that “informed consent” is spelled out in Ontario’s Health Care and Consent Act and the historic 1947 Nuremberg Code. For example, whenever psychiatrists and other doctors prescribe “antipsychotic medication” - powerful brain-disabling neuroleptics such as Haldol (haloperidol), Thorazine (chlorpromazine), Clozaril (clozapine), Modecate (fluphenazine), Risperdal (risperidone), and Zyprexa (olanzapine) as well as antidepressants such as Paxil and Prozac - without your consent or against your will - they are assaulting you, punishing you, violating the Nuremberg Code, violating the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, violating the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, violating The Convention Against Torture, violating your human rights. Forced drugging together with its many traumatic, health and life-threatening effects is a virtual global epidemic, an international disgrace, a crime against humanity.


The labels “antipsychotics” and “antidepressants” are seriously misleading. The “antipsychotics” do not combat or cure “psychosis” or “mental illness”, and “antidepressants” do not combat or cure depression or the fraudulent diagnosis “bipolar mood disorder”. Psychiatric drugs (“medication”) chemically control and disable people -- sometimes permanently. Neuroleptics is a more accurate term for “antipsychotics”, it means “nerve-seizing”. These psychiatric drugs are much more powerful, debilitating and brain-disabling than the “tranquilizers” (benzodiazepines), which by the way are addictive. The neuroleptics and antidepressants frequently make people look and act apathetic, zombie-like as if they’ve been lobotomized -- even at moderate or low doses. These allegedly “safe and effective medications” always produce painful and serious “side effects”, some are health-threatening and brain-damaging; others are life-threatening. Consider these common effects: muscle cramps, dizziness, blurred vision, seizures, tardive dyskinesia (a permanent neurological disorder characterized by involuntary movements caused by the neuroleptics), tardive dementia, akathisia (constant restless pacing), nightmares, psychosis, parkinsonism, neuroleptic malignant syndrome (NMS is a neurological disorder with a prevalence rate of 2%-3%, and mortality rate of 20%-25%), and sudden death. Tardive dyskinesia (TD), tardive dementia, NMS and parkinsonism are all signs of brain damage. Although TD was discovered and reported in medical journals in the mid-1960s, the psychiatrists covered up or failed to warn patients about this horrific neurological “side effect” for about 20 years until the 1980s. After a few weeks or months on such “medication”, most patients look and act like a zombie, apathetic, indifferent to their surroundings.

This whole thing needs reading. http://www.radicalpsychology.org/vol7-1/weitz2008.html

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Here is a view into the 3rd world, a picture taken by some people on a yacht adventure in the south pacific. Not big pharma "Advocates".

"We later found out that the poor man was mentally ill and whenever he had an attack and did "things he shouldn’t do" his family chained him. "

http://catamarantwooceans.wordpress.com/2011/11/01/sailing-fsmyap-state/

More on the "first world"

America’s Foster Care System: Test Lab For Big Pharma, Cash Cow For Caretakers?

http://www.mintpressnews.com/america-foster-care-system-psychiatric-drugs-depression/166065/

You don't even need to be "mentally ill" in the first world for psychiatry to violate you !

What about "2nd world" country's , do they have the worst of both worlds .

This was in the New York Times yesterday,
Ex-Patients Police Mexico’s Mental Health System http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/22/world/americas/ex-patients-police-mexicos-mental-health-system.html?_r=0

Look at this , the pharma front group that poses as advocates, "NAMI" invades Mexico !

http://www.nami.org/Template.cfm?Section=top_story&template=/contentmanagement/contentdisplay.cfm&ContentID=73283&title=Peer-to-Peer%20in%20Mexico

Lilly donated at least $3,000,000 to NAMI. For its part, NAMI promotes the increased use of psychotropic drugs, and even lobbies for laws allowing mental patients to be drug raped - forced to take antipsychotic drugs. The drugs most often prescribed for psychiatric prisoners is -- Janssen's Risperdal (risperidone) and Lilly's Zyprexa (olanzapine) !!!!

Damb phony NAMI advocates !!! will they ever stop ?

Copy_Cat wrote:

Cheze2 wrote:

Copy_Cat wrote:People with 'real' mental illness

let's not try to say that there is a "real" mental illness and a made up one and try to label people ourselves.

What was I just talking about ? oh ya, ADD

Maybe I "have" ADD, but it's not an "illness", I am not sick from ADD. An illness is the same thing as a sickness. My ADD "symptoms" do not endanger my health or life.

Maybe its a disability but no way is it an illness or sickness.

Again, we are getting caught up on the word. What if your "symptoms" did endanger your health or life. We can't invalidate the fact that people can and do experience times when they are not doing well.

Copy_Cat there was a time when things were not going well for you. Before you first sought mental health help. I know that for me some of my "symptoms" do endanger my life and health.

1013 victim wrote:So, what does extreme emotional states have to do with anything. If someone is too emotional maybe they simply need to calm down. You don't need any medicine or to be locked up to calm down and just because you are emotional does not mean you are a threat to yourself or someone else.

People have the choice to find out whatever works best for them. Some people choose medication to assist them and find it helpful. There is nothing wrong with this. please remember the forum rule:

posts that advise any member or people in general not to take medication prescribed by a licenses physician or not to follow any other advice given by a licensed physician or other mental health professional.

For some people they can feel that they are a threat to themselves or others. Saying that someone just needs to "calm down" is invalidating. I would be extremely upset if I felt miserable and someone just told me to "calm down." Just as I have the right to do meditation every day to help regulate my moods, I have the exact same right to use medication as a tool as well.

1013 victim wrote:If someone is too emotional maybe they simply need to calm down.

This kinda reminds me of the days of those psych med induced panic attacks I got and they would say "did you try taking some deep breaths" when I went to the ER hoping for Xanax or something like it.

"ya, deep breaths, I actually thought of that before coming here belive it or not".

Cheze2 wrote:Saying that someone just needs to "calm down" is invalidating.

The only thing worse is telling someone who is having bad anxiety, and has had it many times before, to "try taking some deep breaths".

let's not try to say that there is a "real" mental illness and a made up one and try to label people ourselves.

Again, we are getting caught up on the word. What if your "symptoms" did endanger your health or life. We can't invalidate the fact that people can and do experience times when they are not doing well.

1013 victim wrote:So, what does extreme emotional states have to do with anything. If someone is too emotional maybe they simply need to calm down. You don't need any medicine or to be locked up to calm down and just because you are emotional does not mean you are a threat to yourself or someone else.

People have the choice to find out whatever works best for them. Some people choose medication to assist them and find it helpful. There is nothing wrong with this. please remember the forum rule:

posts that advise any member or people in general not to take medication prescribed by a licenses physician or not to follow any other advice given by a licensed physician or other mental health professional.

For some people they can feel that they are a threat to themselves or others. Saying that someone just needs to "calm down" is invalidating. I would be extremely upset if I felt miserable and someone just told me to "calm down." Just as I have the right to do meditation every day to help regulate my moods, I have the exact same right to use medication as a tool as well.


Who is trying to invalidate someone other than you? One moment you come with all of this talk about not labeling people. The next minute you want to label people as those who would like to invalidate others opinions.

Next, just because someone is not doing well in your opinion does not mean they need any type of help. What does someone not doing well have to do with them needing to engage in any activity or medication that the mental field would offer? The mental field does not offer anything that is factually proven to be the best option for someone seeking this type of help. How are these harmful meds any better than street drugs? Then when you think about all of the labeling and stigma that comes with this stuff it is obviously worse. Street meds don't put you into the federal system and take away your rights to protect yourself and family, unless you get caught and charged with a crime. On the other hand, anytime you go into a mental health hospital or behavior center with or without your consent you are stripped of certain rights, which the supreme court called unconstitutional years ago.

Next. when did I say that someone does not have the right to seek help or use the resources offered to them by the mental health field? I have said and will continue to say that they do not help anyone enough for you to validate dealing with the labels and stigma that comes along with dealing with the mental health field, they have proven to be more harmful than helpful, that is my opinion and will remain my opinion and I think its routed in facts.

Next, your point about reading a rule is not valid. You could have kept that to yourself. I have not told anyone not to take any medicine. I will continue to say you don't need any medicine because a need is different than a want.

Lastly, I will continue to say sometimes you just need to calm down. Sometimes it is nothing more than a little anxiety or panic. I am not saying that this is always the case. I am saying saying like I originally said maybe this is a option. Everything does not require a pill or some type of institutionalization. I have found that when I get in the car and drive and put all that nervous energy to use things get better. My point will remain I could care less about a persons opinion when it is not substantiated by facts. You came in this post making threats talking about rules and everything else and at the end of the day all I see is you blowing your opinions out of proportion. Where are your facts?

1013, you have a private message.