countrys with worst rights for mental illness?

Razael wrote:the best studies are probably done by the WHO in terms of how much mental illness is really a problem in other cultures. Use of antipsychotics is one marker for countries with poorer outcomes and more life long illness's perhaps initiatedd by the drugs themselves.

Only in rich countries does one psychotic episode land a person on drugs for life.

Devilock wrote:Where did this article come from? Id like to read the whole thing. THat is atrocious, it cannot be legal to shackle someone in this day and age.

Indonesia’s mental health shackles used to promote World Mental Health Day

"World Mental Health Day" that sounds scary.



I see a pair of flip flops for a person chained 24/7 in a poor country where many have no shoes at all ?
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Chained: Fifteen-year old Jamil, who suffers from mental illness, sits in his room shackled to the wall. There are an estimated 20,000 people with severe mental illness shackled in their homes by their families.

An estimated 19 million people suffer from mental illness in Indonesia, yet because of a lack of services and basic public awareness, most people don’t get treatment.



Read more: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012 ... tment.html

20,000 chained but 19,000,000 need drugs ??

I smell big pharma ! Only big pharma would turn 20,000 into 19 million.

More quotes from that link with the 15 year old,

"Mental health problems range from severe conditions like schizophrenia to more common disorders such as depression and anxiety, all of which can lead to suicide if left untreated. "

Those are classic big pharma words "lead to suicide if left untreated"
The treatment can lead to suicide as well , read the SSRI warnings !

They can't stop at the 20,000 , they want to drug 19 million. Some real human rights activists should be involved in this mentally ill shackled cause , not these big pharma phoneys.

Whats better chained at home by family for a wile or force drugged in the state hospital in a first world country ?

Question # 2

Is what America does any better than those 'barbaric' people in Indonesia ?

Inside The Nation's Largest Mental Institution



Walking into the "high observation" area, patients stare out through the glass walls of their cells, many nearly naked.

"They just don't want to get dressed," explains Deputy William Hong.

Across the way, about a dozen inmates are engaged in a "socialization" exercise. Some participants are chained to benches — "for civilian workers' safety," as Hong explains it. Others sit listlessly at tables, in long draping ponchos that deputies refer to as "suicide gowns."

"They can't rip it," explains Hong. Clothes can prove dangerous tools to a depressed or paranoid inmate.

"They've tried to flush it down — clog the toilet, flood the area. Or they've tried to harm themselves," he says.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=93581736



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I would rather have the chain on my ankle at home 'Indonesia style' with moms cooking and family faces around me over Americas "first world system" any day if I ever got sick .

Its outrageous how many similar stories we hear about stuff like this, being shackled in Indonesia, made to wear strange gowns and sit in see thru rooms in the us, maybe they r protesting the gowns by not getting dressed? Its like a prison. Another article about a month ago in an Asian contry about the abuses going on there, shackles, chains, tied to the beds etc. The public must be made aware.

I think we should all make fliers with information about whats really going on and give them out (or throw them everywhere) in the street.

No one seems to know this! All they think is "schizophrenic/bi polar, oh my god they r dangerous , yes for sure they should be locked up and drugged for life!" some even think its a shame they closed down the institutions for community care (my mother is one of them) she said "at least when they were all in the one building they weren't out wandering the streets." ###$ THAT.

Devilock wrote:she said "at least when they were all in the one building they weren't out wandering the streets." ###$ THAT.

it really bothers me that people still have this line of thinking. It's definitely still very prevalent however.

Being chained in your home enviroment and not being able to move around may be psychologically damaging, but far less so than being locked up in a cold, impersonal enviroment. Where all your interactions with others are as superficial as they are lacking in true human connectivity.

a big problem again is, I guess, the stereotype ,of a so called mentally ill person. Everyone is different. That's why labels bother me. There is a huge scope of different types of distress labeled ppl can be. And im not saying the "worst" ones should be locked up either. but theres no such thing as a stereotype of a mentally ill person. One thing that is very disturbing is *how* the person got diagnosed. There r so many ways a person can run into the psych system and we cannot just judge from a label that these ppl r all deserving of being locked up.
And why arnt criminals/murderers treated as badly as ppl in the psych system? This makes me think too, I know theres allot of profit in the prison stystem and it can be very brutal, again probably not helping ppl rehabilitate if they've commited violent crimes. For some reason, ppl that r distressed r treated the most discusitngly, I strongly agree eugenics has leaked down from , it is obvious, from just my mothers statement before about there not wandering the streets, that they r *defective* or *wrong* somehow. Some very sick viewpoints about 'mental illness' out there, I *know* most of the public still feel this way. I've heard it again and again. I wish ppl would think abit more and wake up!

Devilock wrote:a big problem again is, I guess, the stereotype ,of a so called mentally ill person.

I know,
Anyone who has ever been to the hospital knows most people in there have alcoholism/addiction or simply got caught up in psychiatry for what ever reason and was made worse by the treatments. People with 'real' mental illness are the minority in those label and drug money factories. Real mental illness= your too disabled to be doing things like having discussions like this on web forums.

Copy_Cat wrote:People with 'real' mental illness

let's not try to say that there is a "real" mental illness and a made up one and try to label people ourselves.

Copy_Cat wrote:Real mental illness= your too disabled to be doing things like having discussions like this on web forums.

Not necessarily. I know many people who struggle a great deal with their mental health issues. They may not be able to leave the house due to severe anxiety but using a computer is helpful. There are plenty of examples I could give. Again, let's try not to label people ourselves.

Cheze2 wrote:

Copy_Cat wrote:People with 'real' mental illness

let's not try to say that there is a "real" mental illness and a made up one and try to label people ourselves.

Copy_Cat wrote:Real mental illness= your too disabled to be doing things like having discussions like this on web forums.

Not necessarily. I know many people who struggle a great deal with their mental health issues. They may not be able to leave the house due to severe anxiety but using a computer is helpful. There are plenty of examples I could give. Again, let's try not to label people ourselves.

There is no proof that any mental illness exist that is the only true diagnosis or label needed

1013- I understand that you have an issue with the word/label "mental illness". People can and do experience extreme emotional states however.