Permanent brain damage from antipsychotics?

MrOmega wrote:Guy... look into neuroplasticity.

"guy"... look into tardive dyskinsia.

"My daughter, who is 5 years old, and has developed Tardive Dyskinesia because of medications. She is trying to play with Barbies and carry on a conversation. As you can see, neither are easy for her."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmvkXDgk1k8

Anyone think when those "big pharma" CEOs take champagne cruises around the world with the millions and billions they made hiding side effects and promoting this poison for as many kids as they possibly can give a crap about this child or any other ?

I recieved healthy doses of Haldol, and your description is accurate. It feels like your brain is permanantly damaged, but after about a year, that feeling should seriously lessen (I've heard this from others too). I was on Invega for about 6 months, then abilify, which was much better for me.

It took me a total of 4 years to get off of meds without going back to the hospital (2 failed attempts), but it can be done. I found some useful ways of what I call a "re-ordering" approach as opposed to a strictly coping approach. You may PM me if you'd like to know some details of it.

After being off of meds for about a year, I'm back to being as sharp as I ever was, so it may be very possible that you get your mind fully back to where it was, especially motivation-wise. For example, you should see my particle physics research, where I'm paced well with a professor whom I'm collaborating with. The main chore is to stay focused and on-task, but that is just how life is. Plus, there's room for error and I'm doing pretty good. At least I'm very stable now.

A final note: when on meds, I think it's hard to know what you're doing wrong becuase the feedback or "symptoms" are crushed, so I felt like I was flying blind. However, just because I can see now doesn't mean I won't crash if I stop paying attention!

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Ian, I am mainly concerned with the return of my emotions. Did your emotional reaction, creativity and empathy ever come back fully? Were you ever able to regain a 'manic' state after taking antipsychotics? This is the state I need in order to fulfill my goals. Pure intelligence is one thing, but it is meaningless without an emotional connection to drive you forward, creativity to formulate new ideas, or empathy and resonance to impart wisdom on others.

I have the motivation to enlighten people, I simply no longer have the means. Due to my disdain for my society, I doubt that I will ever regain motivation for 'success' within this highly structured system or a drive to gain pointless material possessions, nor do I want to. I only wish for all of humanity to regain the abilities that were trained out of them. Then we may return to our natural order, and this system will crumble.

This anhedonia is truly torturous, and there seems to be no end in sight.

Three years ago, I was stalked. Was in shock. My parents forcibly took me to a Psychiatrist. He put me on a high dose of Risperidone, an antipsychotic drug, plus 2/3 other drugs. I got depression because of the drug. Lost motivation etc, also. I just took the drugs for 3 months. Found it in me to say no.

8/9 months after getting Depression, I started having manic episode.

Now, 3 years later have Bipolar disorder plus Schizophrenia.

It is a Rock n Roll Party

Tried many a times to get better. Now, have basically given up.

Chrysaor686 wrote:Ian, I am mainly concerned with the return of my emotions. Did your emotional reaction, creativity and empathy ever come back fully? Were you ever able to regain a 'manic' state after taking antipsychotics?

Yes, emotions came back and they are getting easier to control. By control, I mean that when something happens that motivates me to have a negative emotion, now I am much more able to take a step back and decide if that is the emotion that I want to experience. I am currenlty choosing not to have too much negativity, but it is as easy as ever for me to indulge in negativity and screw things up again. One example is conspiracy theory.

Yes, my creativity and empathy both came back and are likely as good as ever. I'm actually a pretty sensitive person. My overall intelligence is a bit higher, but that is likely becuase I continue to work hard problems, some are academic in nature. I am very creative in my work and in my pipe-carving craft. My latest pipe resembles a viking ship and it looks really neat.

Yes, I was able to regain "manic" state while on antipsychotics, which pissed me off. Interestingly, in some of my current meditation work, I am able to access a state-of-mind that is similar to mania in terms of the euphoric transcendent quality, but without uncontrollable fast-paced thoughts. It's a rush that is described by mystics and such, so nothing to worry about.

Yes, I can forumlate new ideas very well. I am even more objective and calm than any other time in my life. I think this is because I have more wisdom to know the difference between what I feel and what's real (see the movie "ATL").

Chrysaor686 wrote:This anhedonia is truly torturous, and there seems to be no end in sight.

I hear ya. It can be a very hard struggle to get on your feet, but it can happen. Personally, I had to decide how much I wanted to push through the instability, not by pushing harder on the symptoms but on the causes. That is what I found to be very confusing...

I've been on several antipsychotics and all are damaging to physical health. You will experience sedation leading to weight gain and malaise at the very least.

In terms of brain damage I can comment on Risperdal which I have been on long term due to being on a forced injection. My blood tests show high prolactin levels from an early stage, which my doctor informs me is a direct result of the injection. This implies brain damage because the brain is obviously malfunctioning to produce the high levels of prolactin. After an extended period I began to suffer further problems relating to functions that are controlled by the brain. Liver function was also became an issue. However, my Doctor had quite cheerfully informed me that Risperdal was known to cause "impaired liver function". Her statement was correct.

I have heard it said that the longer you are on antipsychotics the greater the chance of problems occurring and this seems to be the case. I think that there will be a threshold beyond which damage is permanent. It appears that many people have been permanently harmed by antipsychotics, ending up with serious diseases such as diabetes, tardive dyskinesia etc. I can sum up the drugs by saying they are all complete s**t. All they are is chemical constraint. The only way they make you think differently is that they make you feel lousy. There's also a fear factor there because the system can take complete control of you.

Overall I think that the psychiatric industry medacalices human behaviours to make money. Bipolar was probably unheard of 50 years ago. A persons behaviour may seem strange but remember behaviour forms a normal distribution.

Well said. ^^

I think these drugs have the potential to be exacerbating symptoms in people that they would have initially got over. I am not a fan of psychiatry. Forced drugging is a pure shame (oxymoron ).

Just saw this. Dafuq.

Risperdal
Risperdal has active ingredients of risperidone. It is used in bipolar disorder, bipolar i disorder, schizophrenia, psychosis, stress and anxiety. Common side effects of Risperdal include diabetes, type 2 diabetes, weight increased, death, drowsiness.

Source:
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/risperdal/tense+neck

Copy_Cat wrote:

MrOmega wrote:Guy... look into neuroplasticity.

"guy"... look into tardive dyskinsia.

"My daughter, who is 5 years old, and has developed Tardive Dyskinesia because of medications. She is trying to play with Barbies and carry on a conversation. As you can see, neither are easy for her."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmvkXDgk1k8

Anyone think when those "big pharma" CEOs take champagne cruises around the world with the millions and billions they made hiding side effects and promoting this poison for as many kids as they possibly can give a crap about this child or any other ?

I feel bad. And think of the damage that's going to cause for her developement socially. I'd be really supportive, not that you're not, because if that doesn't clear up, its likely she'll be bullied. Not to scare you or anything.

That and the possibility of other effects have me concerned. I have enough selfimage issues as it is, do I really want to risk ending up with more? And that's the least of my concerns with these drugs!