I do have much to say about things Antipsychiatry

I'm all the ay through antipsychiatry the system has invented stigma associated to antipsychiatry and it gets a lot of bad hype from scientology being at the forefront. Antipsychiatry needs more weight in survivors and people that have power to be able to have a say in what goes down, to enlighten the practices or make a revolutionary change. Maybe the problem is too big.

Survivors escape documentation yet I guess most survivors survive by staying away from psychiatry. And yeah its obvious psychiatry likes to ignore the survivor's of psychiatry, I almost considered myself one after 6long years full of life and off the antipsychotics, My life had meaning but then I got fixated on my past with psychiatry and flashbacks of emotional states retrieval of repressed memories like soul serching I placed a lot of significance however traumatising the re-enactments and episodes of Maladaptive Daydreaming and further decline in sleep disorder which is all of little regard for a psychiatrist to consider other then false memories and hallucinations and that truly am Schizophrenic however I have very poor insight to this day.

I've heard in regard to survivors or even the Placebo effect sometimes they would say "well he or she wasn't really schizophrenic after-all" which would show for faulty diagnostics its self incriminating and the law can have you involuntarily treated. Interesting the longer term studies sore the placebo recovery to be superior in fewer rehospitalisations after the 6week mark
http://psychrights.org/research/Digest/ ... oDrugs.pdf

When will diagnostic properly determine Brief Psychotic disorders reactive psychosis, spiritual crisis, kundalini syndrome, anthropological accounts, and correct historical documentation, not ones tainted for merit and stature of the respected psychiatric intervention on the psychotic person to subdue them and relieve any chance of them having challenging emotions or ideas or motivation to affirm oneself with what are considered deluded concepts from the perspective of the consensus reality of western culture.

Maybe most symptoms are an oppression of the personality, Psychiatrist only ever observe the drug affected individuals or the dying stance of an individual taking ownership of his or her body and what is forced upon their privacy... I bet many have overcome drug induced defects of consciousness and potentials that one may have been told is symptoms of the agreement of consensus categorization methods of the evolution of psychiatric practices...It has shady appreciation to history especially its own, and lacks self reflective or acknowledgment of fact, it cannot be a real science like it claims when its science is mostly that of pharmaceutical marketing and front groups to educate the mass's.

Its almost like an alternate dimension, and faulty reality in terms of prognosis...much fear has been injected into tell-tale signs. Humanitarian movements release many back to the community when biological methods were put on hold during the Quaker revolution. And psychiatry dismiss the work of John Weir Perry as some kind of fantasy in helping 85percent of psychotics with positive personality affirmations after recovery, quickly subdued in a pleasant environment and treated with dignity. This may have been limited to first episode patients or that was the work of Soteria Project. When are we gonna hear more about long term studies when antipsychotics are used only minimally...I suspect the treatment only creates an illness where one didn't really exist before medicalisation.

I'd like to know where are the survivors that recover through spiritual means and sub communities where families have reverse stigma toward expanses in consciousness. Historically and it might be evident that there are sociological forces present for the emergence of those wishing to transcend boundaries in consciousness and exploration of a richer reality some kind of striving or pursuit for personal freedom and expanse to self limitation I remember expereincing prior to onset of sleep deprivation [like yeah can psychiatry address sleep deprivation and natural recoveries before diagnosing prognosis based on shady principles and subject the patient to a life of drugs and self limiting stigma and identity problems.. Plus identify with true science on the action of dopamine in the brain, it is needed for overcoming negative symptoms and can explain deficits displayed in cognitive function of medicated schizophrenics treated according to a biological paradigm in a pussy-footed attempt at being a respected branch of Medicine, an insult to the word Doctor.
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Unlikely that psychiatry would be able to study tribal culture.... The study it from the perspective of a primative perspective of consensus reality tainted by greed and ignorance of professional standards of blindly adhering to clinical guidlines that would be the fruit of pharma money exerted on political powers. Psychiatry is the origin of stigma toward the mentally ill, I haven;t yet read any thomas Szasz but I can relate to identifying mythical constructs and deluded behavior of the psychiatric profession, especially a delusion of grandeur and self assurance in trusting scientific validity of the professionals knowledge base that a client may see through its superficialities and wish to elevate oneself in desire to be taken seriously, some extreme reactions I guess can occur and why wouldn't a patient of an asylum be suspicious of the staffs intention when the patient is apposed to treatment and notion of being put in a box and treated according to having insight into having a brain disease in direct accordance to what psychiatry has come up with so far in terms of classification and limited scientific confidence in poorly tested theory..

.personally I get it against my will for culturally relevant spiritual concepts that are determined to be bizarre to a person considered sane with beliefs more toward athiest standards. Psychiatrists aren't fit to judge psychic states that accord to spiritual crisis regardless of attempts of those like stanslav grof in educating physicians to opposing diagnosis's that appear much the same as psychosis to the common psychiatrist understanding of altered states of consciousness, or at least referring to having had experienced one that may even come at will..I was too silly to get drunk off sleep deprivation, seeming to flick a magic button and I then feared the feeling of falling asleep, kinda strange but it stacks up with trivialities of my personality and understanding of myself and spiritual nature that when talking to a pompous quack arrogant and ignorant to the positive ramifications to my personality evolution if I remained to recover without treatment...of course I failed. I seek herbs.

Has anyone been treated according to "Religious and Spiritual Problems" of the DSM IV... I doubt most psychiatrist wouldn't have the insight to determine spiritual origins as the driving force behind apparent psychosis... They have limited appreciation on natural states of mind and altered states of consciousness.

More work needs to be done on culture bound syndromes, I've personally had ideas that I may have experienced Chi-Gong deviation syndrome, but it is of little worth trying to communicate that to my psychiatrist. hope its alright I copied this response from another thread.

it it like everything you say that doesn;t appeal to the consensus reality, includning the false reality the psychiatrist projects that one has a mental illness i9mply that one has their rights taken away from them and treated as a schizophrenic regardless, any plight in dire straights falls on deaf ears....of course someone is gonna get pissed off and maybe elevate their mood and appear manic , but its an unnatural affair in the clinical environment, some people have virtue are require some respect....so what if they go on a tangent or obviously need a good sleep...you can get a good sleep from natural herbs, I use ayurveda and interested in trying Magnolia bark, the Seditol formula seems a bit pricey and hard to get in Australia, never tried it to prevent a crisis though, but technically it has potential to calm the mind of unwanted thinking and lowers the energy from the mind, I'm interested in other herbs including rauwolfia or sarpagandha as a natural antipsychotic and good to use in compilation to other ayurvedic brain nourishing anti-convulsant, anti-anxiety drug equivalents.

Razael wrote:of course someone is gonna get pissed off and maybe elevate their mood and appear manic , but its an unnatural affair in the clinical environment, some people have virtue are require some respect....so what if they go on a tangent or obviously need a good sleep...

It just makes no sence how in most hospitals they do forced wake ups using a blood pressure check to get around a patients right to undisturbed rest by making it a medical thing. Anyone who has ever been "manic" (Hungry angry lonely tired) can tell you a good long sleep is the best treatment.

A hospital patient has the right to undisurbed rest , forced wake up time I belive is illegal. Its a hospital not boot camp.

I agree this is one of the dumbest things about the hospital. Sleep is so important to recovering but they never let you sleep enough.

plus they haven;t tested recovery from sleeping alone, they just put the recovery down to the antipsychotics dumbing affect alone... It makes sense that chronically sleep deprived person is gonna improve regardless of "medicine" that makes you sleepy.

I agree. Plus those psych drugs change how you sleep ("sleep architecture") so even if you think you sleep good with those drugs affecting you, you might not. Those neuroleptics didn't allow me to sleep at all. I stayed up all night having terrifying hallucinations. The nurse sat outside my door writing notes then the doctor comes in the next day and tells me he's raising the dose. I screamed and cried. I was being tortured.

sorry you had a hard time Nobody, maybe that particular drug was no good for you, but quacks don't think like that, have you been able to reduce the dose?

You're right that antipsychotics affect sleep differently then the normal sleep architecture, personally I sleep all the time, hardly have any time during the day not that I mind because I got no interests and nothing to do since the antipsychotics have taken away my drive and motivation and interest in things.

I just unload all my ideas on this forum that I can;t express to the only people I have anything to do with for psych treatment...For some reasons there is no intellectual opportunity for having a rational and logical conversation with a psychiatrist about psychiatry or my diagnosis [without just sounding insightless], they just think its all tangents and evidence of cognitive malfunction that I try to explain as unnatural and a side-effect but they are taught that it is all symptoms of schizophrenia, its useless. Even if i could talk on even terms with a quack they just say I have delusions of grandeur.

This is all that comes up when I search for negative symptoms caused by antipsychotic....whats going on surely people are talking about the truth

this thread is from when I was on less antipsychotic, I think I sound more intelligent even though it doesn't register in peopples heads, didn't read it all.

Think I was actually caught in the trap more for this then I am now, I think I have learnt ...plus I am more interesting for phenomena that I living void of at the time writing this...maybe I am better now....I got power over the quacks they thought they had me around this time...just I had more of a mind at the time writing this..pity though nothing interesting...so now I am all about my girlfreind, maybe I am happier now then I wass even though I am more ###$ from increased dose.

This wass before I did my voyage of the universe, basically forgot about my episode from earlier in the year now I have more going on just less in my head.