Who's the real bully here?

It still bothers me that there will still be a large number of people who will say that gender and sexual nonconformists bullied their way into acceptance. Well, maybe if people didn't enforce their so-called values onto everyone, they never would have harbored any vengeance they may have.

Who is the real bully here?

The one who is always projecting his or her misguided morals onto everything and labeling certain people as unnatural, disgusting, and and uses all kinds of hurtful slurs? Or the one who honestly gets angry and fights back demanding that you take those words back and reminding the ones who insult that they need to mind there own business? True, there may be times when the ones who fight back let their anger control them, but can you really be surprised after what the ones have said and done to them and what they've resulted in?

The ones who started may say that they are trying to protect something important, but what could possibly be worth protecting if this is how it's done and when the ones who are fighting are merely protecting themselves?

Call me ignorant, but I personally fail to see or believe how the nonconforming side can be just as evil for taking one too many slanders, beatings, killings, and suicides, and finally snapping and wanting blood for blood, if I my speak figuratively, and have never ever come across some supposed instances like some have described and how can they be so sure it is so? Don't you think that is a bit more justifiable and just because there are a few bad apples, like in every group, should that cloud always hang over them or given attention? How worse can their idea of fighting fire with fire be after what I have witnessed? Everyone should not be so quick to jump the gun as I think that there is vast difference between what we can perceive.

Last time I checked, they're not going around picking on others for who they are, forcing everyone to live by a certain creed, and crying "religious persecution" and "political correctness" when they are criticized.

I'm trying to make sense of it all but I just can't.

Who is the real bully here?

This mainly has to do with the twisted world of politics.

How am I the bully when I get angry and strike back at others who have the intention of controlling what I can and cannot do with my body and who I may share it with just because they don't like it? I have asked before why it always has to be about right and wrong and why it always has to be about whether or not people agree. How in the blasted world can people disapprove of who people are in the first place and how is it possible to force innate characteristics onto other people? It's like people are making all of the excuses they can to hold onto their prejudices for sexual and gender nonconformists as long as possible.

I remember seeing this one person on deviantArt saying she didn't want them to marry for no reason except she was "so mad at the world."

What stick was up hers and what gave her the right to judge? What's wrong with taking a stand for yourself and telling others that they are not allowed to treat you in a certain way and that nobody is in control of your life except you and you alone? What's wrong with telling someone that they are in no position to judge people for who they are?

eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Who has never sinned may cast the first stone. Im 99% sure you have a view point I feel the same way you do about.

it sucks. it really does. There is a lot of terrible stuff in the world. But its reality. You can't solve everything. A persons BP can only handle so many problems.

It doesn't matter who the first bully is if both parties devolve into bullies. Self-defense is one thing, but turning into a bully to fight a bully, makes you a bully. You are no better than them.

judging the judger, makes you a judger too.

The fact is people are gonna be assholes. Always will be, always were, and always are. There is nothing that can be done to chance them. Violence only reaffirms their beliefs. Gives them one more example to reinforce it. Read about the French Revolution. Solving issues through violence and an eye for eye method never ends well.

The only thing I got from that was "It is what it is," and it does not answer my question. I need an in depth explanation about how legitimately getting angry and demanding comeuppance for a wrong equates to bullying. I don't think I directly said anything about getting revenge.

LoneSword7878 wrote:The only thing I got from that was "It is what it is," and it does not answer my question. I need an in depth explanation about how legitimately getting angry and demanding comeuppance for a wrong equates to bullying. I don't think I directly said anything about getting revenge.

It's not bullying to demand justice. It's your right. The scumbag propagandists are using a very old trick called "flipping the script," and they know exactly what they're doing. "We're not the bullies, they're the *real* bullies!" They're not talking to us; they're talking to their supporters by appealing to their collective victim complex. It works every time, and they know it.

LGBT are persecuted because we subvert the social control that comes from controlling sex and procreation. A free sexual being is a menace to that. At the bottom of it all, that's the true motivation.

Thank you, sixprime, that's much better.

There's also the crowd that hypocritically says that calling it out as you see it is exaggerating or taking things out of context while they continue to restrict and demonize. Control over the human body and its functions and those who consentually relate have and always will belong to the individuals and not the public. It's tough if people get offended with that because some do not want to go along with all of this "purity" crap that's being forced on everyone along with every other norm. It's all especially infuriating when it is coming from those in power such as a governor, senator, CEO, or some other official.

There have been a number of homophobia related incidents that have caused me to punch several holes in my closet door and I even attempted to cut myself for the first time ever.

LoneSword7878 wrote:There have been a number of homophobia related incidents that have caused me to punch several holes in my closet door and I even attempted to cut myself for the first time ever.

It's pretty hard to keep from that for me sometimes, especially when they just keep on hurting you.

Things are much better where I live, the MP from the riding next door is gay, the foreign affairs minister for the *Conservative* Party is gay, and marriage has been legal for ten years or more. Twenty years ago, that would have been inconceivable. It's changing, slowly, as the old generations die off.

“It always seemed to me a bit pointless to disapprove of homosexuality. It's like disapproving of rain.”
-Francis Maude

It's in my very nature that I question my sexuality, and people still make this excuse and think that were trying to get everyone to conform with our "lifestyle."

God, it is irritating!

LoneSword7878 wrote:It's in my very nature that I question my sexuality, and people still make this excuse and think that were trying to get everyone to conform with our "lifestyle."

Yes, I don't think that there's a single one of us who didn't agonize about our sexuality for years. That's what makes it doubly insulting. Most of us (including me) knew we were different from others long before we even knew what sex was.

They don't understand what the word "lifestyle" means (or they intentionally misuse it). There are as many gay lifestyles are there are gay people.

And then there are who say that they don't "condone" it.

How do you condone or condemn how differently wired a person is?

How is it relevant?

And don't get me started on how the act is still a choice.