anyone out there need meds to stop anger...??

anyone out there need medications, not drugs, to stop the anger that builds up inside of them??

Or is it just me??

I find I get angry and it is this wierd sensation that I don't want to be angry at the same time of expressing and being angry. This scares me more than the acutal anger; if I wanted to be angry, I could unwant to be angry... but since I don't want to be angry, how can I unwant to be angry....??

I'm borderline and I take haldol prn . I take one and then 15 min take another as directed . it really helps me.

I also use coping skills but the meds are instant/not permanent relief. I don't want to hurt anyone. esp my husband, by hurting I mean by my words.

Sooo
It is not wrong for some one to get help from medication??

Not according to my doctor. She thinks my kind of anger is more dangerous than the meds.

I do comply and take only prn.

Borderline outbursts can hurt not only me, but others around me. So in my opinion, tho I"m not promoting meds to everyone, they have helped me tremendously.

I talked with my worship pastor and he concurs; meds to "cure" anger are not the answer for everyone... only for those with PMMI, something like what "we" have (not who we are??)

anyway, he says I may have meds to help with anger, but they are not the 100% solution... God still requires of me to forgive, and cast away the negitivity that comes along with anger and bitterness...
<sigh>
he is some help, but God always requires of me something for me to be in his will...
<sigh>

##[PMMI persistent major mental illness- in this case one that brings on anger]

Good conversation you have going!!

May I jump in too?!

I agree w/ you....meds are not meant to be a "cureall" for any mental illness really....they are meant to HELP! Not be your 100% magic little fix for everything. They are meant to go hand in hand...be it with counseling...or like you mentioned...what you are doing spiritually and working out on your own, etc. They help w/ certain symptoms, etc. But never expect to just "pop a pill" and suddenly you will feel like everything is 100% and like all is as though it never happened. You will still have your issues to work through. If you feel you have things to work through...things to forgive...that will still be there....taking a pill will not take away from having to deal w/ that.....but taking medication can help ease the intensity of the emotions caused by what you are dealing w/ and make it easier to do so...deal that is. In a case such as anger....well I'd liken it to say...clearing your head so to speak. Think about it....when you are so tied into that intense anger...it's almost impossible to think straight and sort through the issue is it not? But in taking the medication and allowing it to help ease some of that intense level of anger and emotion...you are now freed up to focus more of your positive energies and concerns on the issues themselves rather then on the negative angers and effects thereof. Does that make sense? You can get down to business and deal w/ what truly needs to be dealt w/...rather then just focusing on the symptoms of the sitaution...your anger....you can feel clear enough to focus on the actual situation or issue itself.

Does that help? Speaking of needing a clear head...I shouldn't try to post w/ my two young children watching a program in the background!! haha!!!

Oh Angel that is so true.

I've been working on my issues for so long, and have lost so many people.

I am able to handle things with some amount of control
'sometimes'. And my issue is bpd, so others may not experience the same kind of anger, or intensity more or less.

but you know some docs, they want to dismiss every other outlet, and being agoraphobic I just can't tolerate therapy to the extent I personally need to right now.

but folks that is me. It illiminates my other possible outlets, like SI, injury to others, property, relationships, etc.

But I do need more therapy, I think the whole world needs therapy right now. ...

I have a lot of issues controling my anger. Hell I have a lot of issues w/ control in general. I get very angry...VERY quick. I call them "explosive outbursts". I used to deal w/ really extreme "rages". I'm more in control w/ that now. However I still have "explosive outburts" and I'm still very quick to anger. I trigger easy and the smallest things set me off. I am not physical, however my words cut like a knife and burn like acid. I've always been a very sarcastic person and I can be very hurtful w/ my anger. I don't mean to be and having little patience as it is does not help when one is so quick to anger.
I will say that I'm doing better now then I have in the last couple of years, but not without a lot of hard work and effort on my part. My rages are not as bad as they used to be. But I still get up there w/ it. It's still frustrating because my daughters do comment that I'm angry all the time. Course I tell them that it goes both ways and mommy wouldn't be angry all the time if rules in the house were followed! Mommy is going to get upset when little girls are naughty! No but seriously. I realize I do get more upset then I need to over many little things. Thank god for my husband. We balance each other out. Things were I'm over the top pissed off...he laughs. He thinks they are cute little princesses and I'm ready to explode. (sigh) But again, like I've said. I have to work very hard to not explode and stay calm and in control. I'm not perfect. It doesn't always happen. But for where I am now and where I used to be...come a long way!


I guess my feelings are that yes.....taking meds can help.....as long as you don't rely on it to be your cureall/end all. If you take meds and think that by taking them you are good to go....I guess that is what scares me for people. That was my biggest mistake when I first started w/ meds. I always told myself on the surface that I knew this was not going to do everything for me and take away everything that was wrong for me 100%. Yet when things were not getting better 100% I blamed the meds and kept going back to my dr. frustrated saying "these meds are not working...up the dose or switch my meds". So obviously deep down I believed that the meds had to do it all. I was not keeping up my counseling. I was not really doing anything on my own to work on my issues and because I was not waking up each day feeling a significant change in my emotions and so forth....I believed the meds were not working. If you look at it like that, then yes, I believe you are relying on the meds to be your "cureall" answer adn that's not the right way to view it. You need the meds to work TOGETHER w/ another form of treatment. That ...in my opinion....is key to the success of meds. They simply....I believe....cannot work alone. DEPENDING on what you are trying to target and what the mental illness is that you are treating.

Please realize that as I say all of this....I cannot speak for every mental illness out there. I'm not a trained and qualified doctor. I can only speak for my own experience and what I have dealt w/. I should add this important note. I'm diangosed as dealing w/ cyclothymia/OCPD/PTSD/bulima and there is one other one but it's been so long that I don't even recall it anymore!!!
I was once looked at as possibly dealing w/ or rather misdiagnosed w/ ADHD....bipolar II...borderline personality disorder....and a few others. But let me tell you I had one messed up counselor and so who knows exactly where I lie w/ all of this. I guess I don't focus so much on the label as I just go w/ my symptoms and work on myself. Well at any rate. I believe meds can help ....but not if you think that's all you need. Guess I'm repetive there huh!

Me_Thomas, What kind of anger are you dealing with? Mine is repressed anger from childhood. It goes with the territory for me and takes, well I've had security called on me twice while in session.
But my latest doc told me I wasn't the kind of person who could count to 100 and deep breathe, I had to count to 1000 and sleep on it and then count to 1000 again.
I'm much better now......than when I was younger. I was brutal. I couldn't stop my self. I just saw red and went deaf. I broke a tooth grinting my teeth. And one night ripped out a pair of jeans I buffed up so much during an episode.
I've been to anger management classes, dbt, one on one therapy all my life til 4 years ago. My parents were the same way and took it out on me, I had to keep my mouth shut, or it was worse.
I used to try to walk it off, but the more I walked the madder I got,
I tried driving around, and got wreckless with road rage doing that......Sometimes I feel hopeless.
But you know on the computer I can get mad, but I walk away and don't reply til I calm down, maybe days later. So I've learned not to have impulse control problems there. ...... not as bad anyway. What good does that do? I hate online fights, they are redundant.
There is no real outlet.


Don't get me wrong I only take the haldol during horrible episode, may be once a month or so.

It was my last choice , that or going to jail again.... and really messing someone up.

I also took karate', for disciplinary reasons, and protective reasons, I think that was a mistake. I used to lift weights to take it out on the machines, but I just got stronger, and that too was dangerous for others. Now I just stay away from people. But i"ve hurt my husband a few times. I' m not proud of that at all!!! I"m just glad with my condition I don't have kids. I don't want to do to them what my parents did to me. ya know? But then again they may have changed my whole life, I'll never know.

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Angel, sounds like you've come far. ....... I'm very proud of you.
I'd love to be able to tell the story you did, a success story. Maybe someday I can, and look back on this post and think. Wow, I've come so far.

but for now I have to just avoid triggers and walk away. It's best for everyone.

My mother is my biggest trigger.
I realized that when I let her go last month and she called the other day. I swear she says things to purposely do this to me, cuz during the month we didn't speak I was fine.........

thus my avator and signature............

((Gentle hugs)))

I wouldn't say I'm a "success story". More so I'm a "work in progress". I'm no longer violent when I'm angry. But I'm still very verbally abusive. I am so quick to anger and my voice is loud and like acid. I yell VERY loud....I'm quick...think of a rattle snake striking out. I have my good days where I can focus and keep my outbursts down....react more calmly and choose my words wisely or walk away and talk myself down. I have my bad days where I just can't do it and I just constantly lash out over and over. EVERYTHING sets me off. Well and being a stay-at-home mom can take it's toll when I have NO patience. Every thing my girls do...specially my oldest whose moods swings make my own look like nothing! ....oh where do I even start!

anyway....no I'm not a success story...just a work in progress!


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that must be hard for you in that you cut ties w/ your mother and she is not accepting that and still trying to reach out to you. Is she trying to heal w/ you or is she managing to keep the wounds open and keep your issues going?

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Thomas do you feel like talking about what issues you are trying to work through and what is driving your anger?

well I'm gonna cut short here.....Black Crows "She talks to Angels" just came on the stereo and since I LOVE to sing....I'll go belt out that tune and mellow out to that!! Music always calms me down!