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Dad and brother blamed me for being pretty

Postby abbie19p » Sun Sep 15, 2024 12:12 pm

Exactly as the title says, They told me it was my fault for being ‘such a pretty girl’. Until recently I haven’t been able to discuss it. From the age of 9 dad sexually abused me along with my brother who was 12 at the time. I’ve never known a mum. Dad not only encouraged him to have sex with me and do what he wanted with me, he showed him how to do it right and they often took turns. It happened, sometimes several times a day until dad died when I was 16. I believed that’s all I was good for. Satisfying males. That year my brother ended up in jail, for something unrelated, and he’s still there. I’m 19 now and going through therapy. It’s not easy at all. That’s an understatement. I feel severe guilt because I miss being abused and am sexually disfunctional. I rarely leave my home unless I have to and I masturbate at an unhealthy level. I also have a 3 year old and the prospect of having to tell her who her daddy is scares the hell out of me. It’s either her grandfather or uncle and I just don’t know the answer. The point I really wanted to make is that there is light at the end of the tunnel. I have a long journey ahead but I’m not worthless or a whore (my dad’s pet name for me). A total stranger chatted with me yesterday and at long last I can see hope out of all of the things he said. I am lonely but there are good people around. If you’ve been dealt a rough hand in life, things can get better. Don’t give up.
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Re: Dad and brother blamed me for being pretty

Postby Snaga » Sun Sep 15, 2024 3:31 pm

Hello and welcome!

It's good to hear a positive outlook- life goes on, no matter what, and some folks are more fortunate in being able to roll with the punches than others. Also, living well is the best revenge.

Sorry you had to go through all that, I don't know what goes through peoples' minds when they do things like this, I really don't.

Take it that your brother will be in jail for a while?

abbie19p wrote: I feel severe guilt because I miss being abused


Well I'm sure your therapist has told you you're not alone in that- that's a not uncommon theme here in this forum. Especially being brought up into it. And sex is sex. And attention is attention. The first is pleasure, the second is something a child craves. And... how else are we supposed to react to such a powerful combination? I wager a lot of people have conflicting feelings (this is bad, but I miss it).

I was just groomed for a while as a teenager, nothing like what you went through, no 'real' sex happened (the groomer got discovered before too many 'grooming sessions' had happened), and to this day a half century later I.... wish it had gone on. I mean what he did was wrong and he deserved an ass beating for it, but I don't even think twice about fantasizing about it any longer, it just is what it is and I don't feel guilty any longer for it, I don't try to fight it, I mean it was wrong, I know it was wrong, anyone who does stuff like that is wrong, but I'm going to miss it and I accept that, I decided it's only as big a deal as I let it be, and it's not worth beating myself up over. If anything I just am resentful- I'm male and bisexual and probably would have been anyway, but I'll never know how much my groomer influenced me, and that makes me angry because he had no right to do that. But feeling guilty for missing it or wanting it, for me, after so many years, seems pointless. Maybe it's just that some things take a lot of time before a person comes to- not at peace with it, but an 'understanding' with it. An understanding, an internal agreement, of sorts. That missing it, or wishing it had continued, doesn't mean I don't think it was a terrible thing for someone to do to me when I was a kid. Same for you, same for anyone. The missing it is driven by deeper things that don't operate on Reason. And so I kind of compartmentalise the two.
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Re: Dad and brother blamed me for being pretty

Postby abbie19p » Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:44 pm

Thank you for your reply. My brother has another 2 years to serve. He had asked me to visit him - I won’t. I have good days and bad days. A good deed can make a dark day brighter. There are times I have considered giving my daughter up for adoption but I have to be strong, for her sake. My therapist did tell me it’s not uncommon to miss the sexual attention when you experience it young like I did. I crave sexual satisfaction but i’m trying to regain control. I fear that when he is released I may give in to temptation so I moved away in the hope that he can’t find us when he gets out.
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Re: Dad and brother blamed me for being pretty

Postby Snaga » Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:21 am

I hadn't even thought about you being tempted by your brother- was just assuming that he'd be the one to try something. I hadn't thought about that.

Well, whatever you do, you won't be judged by me. I guess depending on what he went to jail for, decides if he's bad news or not- aside from the obvious that you want to break away from the incest.

I'm glad you hadn't given up your daughter- she might be young enough to eventually get over being given up for adoption, but it's still not as if she were an infant. Whatever happened, it's not her fault.

I don't know your brother or what sort of man he is, but I'd be.... extra protective of my little girl, if it were me. I hope you do succeed in staying away from your brother (or keeping him away, as it might be). Do you think he'd represent a hazard to your daughter, when she gets a little older? I say that only because there have been members here who have had to worry about that sort of thing. Something to keep in mind and maybe help quell temptation...
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Re: Dad and brother blamed me for being pretty

Postby Terry E. » Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:53 am

Sorry been on the road, just got back. Everything Snags said about how people especially girls react from early abuse. Agree about keeping away from your brother. He was old enough to know it was wrong. He should be someone who you can rely on not keep away from. Still as they say "all types in the world". And not all good.

Wish I could say we have not been here before but I will tell you of one very amazing story.
A girl of 17 came on here in enormous distress. She was 17 I think her mum was 31 (yes pregnant at 14). She had found out that her mother had been lying to her throughout her life and was angry and hurt. She had been lead to believe that her mum had a boyfriend, 16 when she was pregnant and they were going to be married when her mum was 16 and left school. Tragedy happened and he was killed. The mum had some photos, and they even visited his grave site. He mum told her how wonderful and loving and caring her dad was. Of course all a fiction. It was her mum's father.
We explained how much her mum had loved her, to bury her own pain and build this wonderful story for her daughter so she would not be hurt. She saw it and realised how amazing her mum was and how lucky she was to have her.

She does not need to know straight away and that is another reason to keep brother away.

Have you ever visited a rape crisis centre or maybe that is how you were referred to your therapist.

You are very young, but as the above story indicates some of us are capable of very old wise decisions at an early age
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Re: Dad and brother blamed me for being pretty

Postby abbie19p » Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:52 am

I said my brother was in jail for something unrelated. That’s true as it wasn’t because of what he did to me, but it is in a similar category. He’d been seeing a girl for a while and eventually he got caught in the act with his ‘girlfriend’ by her dad. She was 12 at the time. I believe her dad tried to grab my brother to get him off his daughter and my brother beat him up quite badly. It’s actually quite out of character for him, i’ve never known him to be violent. He said it was self defence that went too far. My brother doesn’t believe that he could be my daughter’s dad - I told him it’s someone else and it suited him to believe it. If he came over I wouldn’t be leaving him alone with her let’s just say. Weirdly I don’t put the full blame on him for having sex with me. Another thing to get my head around in therapy, he was technically a child too when he started riding me and it was encouraged by dad and in fact there were times when he basically ordered him to do it. Yes I know he should have known better as he was growing up but I’m still getting my head around it all. In my head I’d thought I could blame a one night stand when the time comes to tell her. Not a great plan but it’s early days. I’m working to try and resist temptation. If my brother was to come over today and try it on I’d end up in bed in seconds. I don’t want that to be the case. I have to have a lot more sessions in therapy and progress is slow. I’m vulnerable at the moment because if any man regardless of looks or age were to try and sleep with me, it’d happen easy enough. This is one of the reasons I rarely go out at the moment. I need to take control back, eventually. A long road ahead.
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Re: Dad and brother blamed me for being pretty

Postby Snaga » Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:50 am

Terry E. wrote:You are very young, but as the above story indicates some of us are capable of very old wise decisions at an early age


She don't sound like only 19, does she?

Terry's right, you are making some good, mature decisions and if you can stay away from brother, I think you'll be all right. You're smart and you don't underestimate things.

abbie19p wrote: He’d been seeing a girl for a while and eventually he got caught in the act with his ‘girlfriend’ by her dad. She was 12 at the time. I believe her dad tried to grab my brother to get him off his daughter and my brother beat him up quite badly.


Yeah, that. I think your decision to never leave your daughter alone with him is a wise one, after she gets a few years on her. Sounds as if he has a 'type'. Because like Terry said, he knows better.

I'd quite forgotten about that person Terry mentioned- I think I prefer a fiction to telling a child of incest the truth. One time with a stranger is as good a story as any. It's not lying- it's protecting. What they don't know won't gnaw at them. At least that's the way I see it. Got nothing to do with you, or the acts themselves, it's just keeping her shielded as much as possible- the world's an ugly enough place, no reason to throw more on unnecessarily.

abbie19p wrote:I I’m vulnerable at the moment because if any man regardless of looks or age were to try and sleep with me, it’d happen easy enough. This is one of the reasons I rarely go out at the moment. I need to take control back, eventually. A long road ahead.


I hope you get to the place you can have a healthy... 'on the market' relationship- I mean, being single and available but are the one in control of what happens. My other half says 'you get what you tolerate' and she specifically hauls that phrase out when women make bad decisions regarding men. She's not wrong.
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Re: Dad and brother blamed me for being pretty

Postby Terry E. » Tue Sep 17, 2024 8:53 am

Abbie as Snags says you are doing OK. The more you work on it, the better you will get.

I wish more girls could cope as well as you.

Anytime you want to kick stuff around, you don't need a big problems to post, just drop in and we will be here.
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Re: Dad and brother blamed me for being pretty

Postby abbie19p » Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:35 pm

Thank you for the replies. I replied when I was in a good place, I’m doing quite well at the moment but that’s certainly not always the case. I don’t always make the right decision and I doubt myself a lot. But i’ve been trying very hard and I haven’t always had someone to talk to. I do find talking about it can be therapeutic. Other times, you seriously don’t want to know what’s in my head. I have my demons, like most people I guess. I feel I’m worthless sometimes and only good for being a whore - they continually told me how good I was at being one.

I have so much experience at pleasing males. Then I look into my daughter’s pretty eyes and see her smile and suddenly i’m back in the room and a mum again. I hate myself for craving being abused, wanting to be back there getting used whenever they wanted. My therapist says it can take a very long time to recover, if I ever do, and I do believe that it will take a long time. I consoled myself in books and learning through books (probably to escape into them) when I was growing up and even though I credit myself with being reasonably intelligent, I have achieved and continue to achieve nothing or at least very little at the age of 19. I wonder what I could have been and done with a normal upbringing. I don’t feel normal and wonder if I ever will.

Quite frankly most of today so far has been spent masturbating and using chat rooms to talk with men who are very keen on hooking up. I even voice chatted with some. That’s not who I want to be but I can’t stop myself. My therapist has given me tasks to do when I feel like this, they’re not working. I mentioned a stranger who was kind to me recently. He was a man in his sixties. A really nice man, but a stranger, who had kind words for me. He had no reason to be kind. It did give me a lift. There are positive things that do give me a lift, this was one of them.

Then I wondered did he fancy me? Did he want my panties down? I then pictured him riding me, in my head, because I thought he was checking out my boobs. That ruined it and I quickly left and ran home otherwise it would either have happened of I would have embarrassed us both. That was after a session of therapy. I wonder if I’ll ever have normal interactions again. I’m capable of wise decisions yes, but don't always make then and I know at the time I’m not making the right decision.
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Re: Dad and brother blamed me for being pretty

Postby Snaga » Wed Sep 18, 2024 3:38 am

You've probably accomplished more than I ever dreamed of at nineteen. You're raising a child. Raising, I didn't say 'have' or 'had'. You're trying to be a good parent. I would have been a rubbish parent at 19.

Maybe he was looking at your boobs. The stranger, that is (my age or thereabouts in fact). And I don't mean leering at them. Even the best men are still wired to look at breasts. I mean I've been in professional settings and realized with a shock where my eyes were, and sexual thoughts were the last thing on my mind but they're like eye beacons. I'm sure it's hardwired. Hell I've known gay guys to glom onto boobs, and I don't mean a little gay I mean the gayest person ever kind of gay. But, boobs. Point I'm trying to make is you might have picked up on something but he might not even been really aware of it himself. I've caught myself doing it, completely oblivious that I was doing it.
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