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Antipsychotics that cause suicidal throughts

Postby AngelOfLife » Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:06 am

After my experience with the world of psychiatry, I have this to say: if you can find a way of functioning without antipsychotics, then don't be pressurised into taking those medications. I found in my case that even when I was largely functional, and not suffering too much, there was some zeal on the part of the psychiatric profession in trying to push antipsychotics at me, simply by virtue of the diagnosis. The diagnosis was an episode of psychosis, or with psychotic elements, and therefore antipsychotics were strongly recommended. This was even after I was experiencing these strong suicidal feelings which were so uncharacteristic of me, and which I hadn't been experiencing before taking the drugs.

I decided to try an extremely low dose of Abilify - less than the so-called "effective minimum dose", since I found it hard to function on the dose originally prescribed (something which the prescribing psychiatrist didn't really accept.) On this "below minimum" dose of Abilify, I started to experience strong agitation - one of the side-effects. Therefore I doubled my dose of Clonazepam. As a result, I became very tired - my energy levels plummeted, and I found myself having to limit my sporting activity to about a third of previous levels. My walking became relatively slow. I started to develop symptoms associated with schizophrenia which I hadn't had previously: less mobility in my facial expressions, it started to be a struggle to look after myself, to clean my home, to go shopping - though I forced myself through it all. I started to go to bed early because of extreme tiredness, and stopped going out in the evening, and as a result became socially isolated, and felt myself spiral into a depression. Weeks before becoming depressed, I already started to experience suicidal feelings - disembodied: unlinked to depression. My depression was so severe that I found it hard to eat, and rather than gaining weight as is the tendency on this drug, I rapidly lost weight. I found it hard to write fluently - the drug seemed to affect my muscular ability, and lost my articulateness, finding it relatively hard to express myself (and as you can see, this is something I have no trouble doing without the antipsychotics!). I lost my creative ability, and was unable to engage in the activities that made my life meaningful. These also contributed to my spiralling downwards. Deep inside the depression, I lost interest in all the things that had made my life meaningful up to that time.

Instead of accepting my view that the suicidal feelings and depression were linked to the drug Abilify, the psychiatrist described it as "the evolution of an illness".

Another psychiatrist decided to transfer me instead to the antipsychotic Seroquel, even though it states in the contra-indications that this drug may intensify existing suicidal feelings, and surely enough, it intensified mine. Since (I presume) I was on such a low dose of Abilify, the psychiatrist didn't instruct me to taper Abilify, but simply to stop it, and start Seroquel. I was taking half a tablet with the minimum dosage. Since I didn't like feeling suicidal, and I guess I didn't want to end up going that way, I decided I wanted to discontinue the antipsychotic medication. I was told that I could simply stop taking the medication: I suppose it wasn't felt necessary to advise me to taper the medication as it was below the minimum effective dose as recognized by the psychiatrists. (As a result of my experience, I would advise anyone to taper when coming off an antipsychotic - however small the dose. If, like me, you are taking half a tablet a day, you could then take it every other day for a while, and then every third day, etc.) I started to experience almost total insomnia which lasted about 6 weeks. At every stage, it was not acknowledged by psychiatrists that the manifestations I was experiencing were caused by medication, or withdrawal from it. Thus, the insomnia was attributed to my depression, rather than to withdrawal from the medication. It was on the internet that I was able to learn that chronic insomnia is a withdrawal effect from Abilify and Seroquel, and since I had only taken Seroquel for a few days while still having Abilify in my system, I must have been withdrawing from both. I was prescribed the highest dose of the sleeping medication Zopiclone (Zimovane) intensified by an extra Clonazepam tablet at night; this provided me with about two hours of sleep a night. While affected by this insomnia, I was still experiencing suicidal feelings, and would be lying awake almost the whole night thinking of the pros and cons of various ways of killing myself.

After about 5 or 6 weeks, with the antipsychotics out of my system, the insomnia ended, and by this time, I had started taking an antidepressant, and my suicidal feelings subsided. By now I have come off all medication - including the antidepressant: Citalopram, since it was affecting my memory. If I feel the need, I take the very occasional half a tablet of Clonazepam.

I firmly believe, following my experience, that a proportion of psychiatric patients are being misdiagnosed based on the manifestations of the side effects of antipsychotic medication, and the expression of beliefs which have nothing to do with brain chemistry. I further believe that for all the lives that may be saved as a result of the administration of antipsychotics, there is a significant proportion of patients who commit suicide not because of their illness, but because of the side effects of medication which they may be unnecessarily or inappropriately prescribed. These numbers then get lumped together with the numbers who commit suicide as a result of their illness, and is used as further evidence that suicidal action or attempts are symptoms of psychotic illnesses.
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Re: Antipsychotics that cause suicidal throughts

Postby IcarusFalling » Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:26 am

Good argument. I kinda feel the same way. Although the side effects don't sound nearly as bad as the ones you've mentioned. I've lost pretty much all interest in everything i used to be interested in. I'm on risperidone, 4mg.
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Re: Antipsychotics that cause suicidal throughts

Postby PsychoMantis » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:34 am

I just started Resperidone and I feel distant and emotionless, I almost can't stand it
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Re: Antipsychotics that cause suicidal throughts

Postby lion2zion » Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:18 am

Antipsychotics are horrible. They say can't diagnose you if you're doing (illegal) drugs, but if you're on antipsychotics its fair game. I am repulsed by what you said about them putting the effects of the drug down as an evolution of the illness. When I got put on antipsychotics after being off them for a while I got horrible crambs, it was to the point where I laid on the floor unable to move, screaming for help, thinking I was gonna die. They chalked that up to the alleged illness and not the medications, although my psychologist later admitted that the medications could be the cause.
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Re: Antipsychotics that cause suicidal throughts

Postby NeptuneProject » Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:26 pm

I am in a similar situation. I just want to figure out if I'm really psychotic or not. I don't know how to describe it, but my thoughts are simply turned against me. I am taking a large dose of Zyprexa 20mg and another antipsychotic, Clozapine, at 300mg which is extremely heavy. The reason I am taking 2 antipsychotics is because one never worked well enough. I don't ever remember having these thoughts before being put on medicine, I just told the psychiatrist that I thought people were laughing at me. I think this was more because I was ashamed of drug use than anything psychotic-related. I am experiencing similar side effects such as loss of creativity and loss of motivation and interest. I don't find anything interesting anymore. I have tried coming off the Clozapine which made me more delusional after two weeks of tapering off. So I had to go back to 300mg. Please help me understand if my delusions are actually suicidal thoughts caused by antipsychotics. I feel as if things are turned against me, and think of suicide often when I have these thoughts. The thing is, during times of the day, they go away, and then they come back, and so on. They are persistent and won't stop. Basically every time I have a positive thought, it is turned against me and I feel as if I'm being punished for desiring these positive things. I don't know where to go in my head as it is pushing me to stop wishing positive things from occurring in my life. Please tell me how long do I have to be off the medicine for the withdrawal effects to subside? I will have to try this and find out once and for all what is really happening.
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Re: Antipsychotics that cause suicidal throughts

Postby GrizzlyNinja » Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:10 pm

I am on Risperdal since my diagnosis. I feel trapped, hopeless and stupid. I can't think, I can't learn, and I also have lost all creativity. I can't sleep. I used to love to read, but I can't even do that because I can't picture anything in my head. The voices in my head aren't getting any quieter as the dosage of the Risperdal goes higher, but the dull, lifeless feeling I have does. The suicidal feelings keep coming back. So the doctor added lithium. I tried stopping the drugs, and being an epileptic, I started having myoclonic seizures. Is this my life now? I don't want it. The therapist I see is useless. It'll get better, she says. Ok.
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