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Postby I Dream 5 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:19 am

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Re: Interesting Article That May Be Of Interest

Postby iabsurdlyexist » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:34 am

I have always felt the classic Schizoid by Ernst Kretschmer which were separated into schizotypal, avoidant and schizoid represented me the best.

1. Unsociability, quietness, reservedness, seriousness and eccentricity.
2. Timidity, shyness with feelings, sensitivity, nervousness, excitability, fondness of nature and books.
3. Pliability, kindliness, honesty, indifference, silence and cold emotional attitudes.

"Kretschmer himself, however, did not conceive of separating these behaviors to the point of radical isolation but considered them to be simultaneously present as varying potentials in schizoid individuals."

I agree with this but that is me. I think it accurately describes the split personality that is Schizoid. How do you wrestle the complimentary yet contradictory aspects of the combined personalities? Aspects of this personality are present and not necessarily present at any time.
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Postby I Dream 5 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:55 pm

iabsurdlyexist wrote:I have always felt the classic Schizoid by Ernst Kretschmer which were separated into schizotypal, avoidant and schizoid represented me the best.

1. Unsociability, quietness, reservedness, seriousness and eccentricity.
2. Timidity, shyness with feelings, sensitivity, nervousness, excitability, fondness of nature and books.
3. Pliability, kindliness, honesty, indifference, silence and cold emotional attitudes.

"Kretschmer himself, however, did not conceive of separating these behaviors to the point of radical isolation but considered them to be simultaneously present as varying potentials in schizoid individuals."

I agree with this but that is me. I think it accurately describes the split personality that is Schizoid. How do you wrestle the complimentary yet contradictory aspects of the combined personalities? Aspects of this personality are present and not necessarily present at any time.


I think Kretschmer's work highlighted that someone with the Schizoid Personality can have many faces. There's a real split in the personality. It can be really hard to gauge it. Someone can easily think someone with the Schizoid Personality is someone they are really not. It could be really hard to tell where this person begins and where another person may end at times.

It could be said that someone with a Schizoid Personality may be looking for a personality to latch onto as they may not be aware of their true self. Certainly, no one else is aware of what this person's true self is.
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Re: Interesting Article That May Be Of Interest

Postby salles » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:02 pm

An Interesting read.

Irrespective of the latter, the schizoid patient essentially experiences a very specific, stable and entrenched internal split. It is this very split that needs to be understood and therapeutically addressed. The complexity thereof, given the use of various defenses as described above, means that a tremendous amount of therapeutic work and patience is needed to access this schizoid structure.

Fat chance of a schizoid ever finding that kind of therapist !
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Postby MalevolentMangos » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:14 pm

I Dream 5 wrote:It could be said that someone with a Schizoid Personality may be looking for a personality to latch onto as they may not be aware of their true self. Certainly, no one else is aware of what this person's true self is.

Would this be (or similar to) mirroring?
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Re: Interesting Article That May Be Of Interest

Postby I Dream 5 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:27 pm

MalevolentMangos wrote:
I Dream 5 wrote:It could be said that someone with a Schizoid Personality may be looking for a personality to latch onto as they may not be aware of their true self. Certainly, no one else is aware of what this person's true self is.

Would this be (or similar to) mirroring?


I would say so. This would be like a Schizoid inventing a character to play. Maybe a Schizoid puts on a "schizoid exhibition" of some kind of "lady's man" to fit into society (lol..yeah I know, I feel the irony). I would say (for many) it may take the invention of a character to actually get into the dating scene (for many Schizoid males, at least).

Anyway, there may be tremendous guilt always looming beneath the surface of contentment. Those who have had the disorder for years may become bitter, despite feeling content with themselves. You just never know. I realize that no one person with Schizoid Personality Disorder is the same.
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Re: Interesting Article That May Be Of Interest

Postby MalevolentMangos » Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:48 pm

I Dream 5 wrote:I would say so. This would be like a Schizoid inventing a character to play. Maybe a Schizoid puts on a "schizoid exhibition" of some kind of "lady's man" to fit into society (lol..yeah I know, I feel the irony). I would say (for many) it may take the invention of a character to actually get into the dating scene (for many Schizoid males, at least).

Yes I do have the habit of taking things other people do for myself. I say phrases I hear other people say or give myself interests other people have. My family has noticed it and comments all the time on how I keep stealing their little quirks. I do it because I don’t really have any genuine ones of my own. Only problem is that I can’t get them to stick with me and end up getting new ones repeatedly.
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Re: Interesting Article That May Be Of Interest

Postby I Dream 5 » Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:44 pm

I Dream 5 wrote:
MalevolentMangos wrote:
I Dream 5 wrote:It could be said that someone with a Schizoid Personality may be looking for a personality to latch onto as they may not be aware of their true self. Certainly, no one else is aware of what this person's true self is.

Would this be (or similar to) mirroring?


I would say so. This would be like a Schizoid inventing a character to play. Maybe a Schizoid puts on a "schizoid exhibition" of some kind of "lady's man" to fit into society (lol..yeah I know, I feel the irony). I would say (for many) it may take the invention of a character to actually get into the dating scene (for many Schizoid males, at least).

Anyway, there may be tremendous guilt always looming beneath the surface of contentment. Those who have had the disorder for years may become bitter, despite feeling content with themselves. You just never know. I realize that no one person with Schizoid Personality Disorder is the same.


Personally speaking, I've had to deal with bitterness. It comes from "society's expectations" challenging my true self. I've had to deal with personality splitting/role playing issues. A lot of this stems from how I am (mostly) viewed by society (at first look) vs. who I truly am. Since it's hard to get to know me, most people only have the "at first look" view.

I've learned to become more comfortable in my own skin. I find it's better that I be myself and be genuine than to put on some kind of "schizoid exhibition" (or act) to fit into society. Those "schizoid exhibitionism" times were the times that could be very awkward for me. It, ultimately, doesn't do much good.
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Re: Interesting Article That May Be Of Interest

Postby Cholls » Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:40 pm

I think she hated me, she could not get herself to say it but her behavior towards me betrayed it. If I had an opinion, if I disagreed, even at times just be myself she would transform in front of me, she became monstrous, angry – sometimes it was explosive, at times a frozen stare – I was the reason for all her misery…at those times I went into myself, away, observed only, I was untouched by her hate of me. I would recite poetry in my head, even at times sing inside. I was everywhere except with her. That is what kept me sane. I had to learn to totally separate myself from her and just do if she commanded it (slave), and when I did wrong, which was always, I went into myself as a way to keep her at bay (exile)…. I live very orbital still…”

While the mother's behavior is exactly what I experienced--the appropriation, indifference, lack of boundaries, etc., I did not go into myself, but instead would just stand there, completely passively, getting yelled at in the most pointedly degrading manner, while taking whacks or punches, until I was 18. It did not even occur to me to evade the whacks with the metal pancake turner until I was 18.

The question is:
Why didn't I take the schizoid route?

Because I knew I would be rescued.

We had moved out of my grandparents' house when I was 3 or 4, and that's when the abuse began. One day when it was particularly bad, my mother must have phoned my grandparents for some reason, because, suddenly, my grandfather beat in the kitchen door--I still remember his silhouette against the light. The next thing I remember was being next to him in the car on the way to my grandparents and safety.

Because my lazy, delusional, Vogue-Magazine-reading mother would, every single weekend, without fail, dump me at my grandparents' where I would hang out with my grandfather, in his phenomenal garden, pulling weeds and de-weeviling the Vanda Miss Joaquim; often, but not always, I would stay overnight. She would spend all Saturday shopping, buy mounds of clothes, then return them all on Sunday, doing more browsing in preparation for the following Saturday ... .

Thanks largely to those weekends, my grandfather, and his incredible garden, there is one less schizoid, nay, one less serial killer in the world.
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