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Some recent insights on Hyper Vigilance Hyper Arousal

Postby Terry E. » Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:44 am

as I mentioned last week I had a trigger and my HV and HA kicked in that night. First time in a really long time.

The trigger had been something specific to my own case.

Last night after my son came home late I noticed I could not hear him. The night of my event I heard everything. Every foot fall, every word spoken, every rattle of cups and dishes in the kitchen. Everything.

It is not just a term but your senses are ramped up by maybe 25 -33%. To do that there is a cost.

Just some thoughts.
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Re: Some recent insights on Hyper Vigilance Hyper Arousal

Postby seabreezeblue » Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:07 pm

Definitely a cost.. :|

Strange question maybe, but do you find that clothing and other things irritate you when you're hypervigilant?
Like you've got so much else to try and process, that even some clothing can be too much sensory input?

(i'm trying to figure out what's ptsd and what's aspergers :? )
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Re: Some recent insights on Hyper Vigilance Hyper Arousal

Postby Terry E. » Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:13 am

Sea, your situation is very unusual. I sometimes think there is a multiplier in your case that may not apply elsewhere. That said we don't really get a lot of info for CA -PTSD, it is usually in broad terms and specialists find it hard to differentiate between CA PTSD and PTSD from seeing adult trauma.

My PTSD symptoms have been gradually reducing over the years. All of them reducing at the same rate. Apart from the assault / robbery at McDonalds 17 years ago, it had been a steady decline.

My trigger was not seeing trauma but reading an account of what a child had experienced. There were three specific things that were the same as my case, one I had not read before. I thought that mine was unique. Anyway that triggered it. The judge referred to it as torture not abuse and he was right.

I found I was amped up. It was draining, my home that night was quiet and my environment was calm, but my breathing was elevated, my pulse was up and my hearing was extraordinary. Gone the next day.

As a child whenever I had hearing tested it was always very sharp. At my primary school when they came to me that had to turn the fridge off in the room as it interfered with a stop watch test. No other child had heard it. So I guess I was hyper alert from as young as I can remember.

it was my normal..

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Re: Some recent insights on Hyper Vigilance Hyper Arousal

Postby TheCastleOf » Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:08 pm

I think that possibly C-ptsd exacerbates whatever sensitivities are already present in your underlying personality.

I get fits of sensory input overload but I'm of the opinion that I'm also naturally ill-suited to receive sensory inputs as I'm spending a lot of time in my head. I'm naturally both emotional and cerebral, so stress will exacerbates this as well, forcing me into loops with a lot of back and forth between my emotions and intellect at the exclusion of healthy sensory inputs.

Hope I'm making sense.
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Re: Some recent insights on Hyper Vigilance Hyper Arousal

Postby lonelydaydream » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:17 am

TheCastleOf wrote:I think that possibly C-ptsd exacerbates whatever sensitivities are already present in your underlying personality.

I get fits of sensory input overload but I'm of the opinion that I'm also naturally ill-suited to receive sensory inputs as I'm spending a lot of time in my head. I'm naturally both emotional and cerebral, so stress will exacerbates this as well, forcing me into loops with a lot of back and forth between my emotions and intellect at the exclusion of healthy sensory inputs.

Hope I'm making sense.


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Re: Some recent insights on Hyper Vigilance Hyper Arousal

Postby amberamber80 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:34 pm

In response to Seabreezeblue (Hi btw I am very new to the forum).

Re: Some recent insights on Hyper Vigilance Hyper Arousal
by seabreezeblue » Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:07 pm
Definitely a cost..

Strange question maybe, but do you find that clothing and other things irritate you when you're hypervigilant?
Like you've got so much else to try and process, that even some clothing can be too much sensory input?

My clothes drive me bloody insane when I am experiencing my CPTSD and Severe Anxiety strongly. My body itches constantly, my clothes feel awkward and ill fitting to the point that I might change four or five times a day. Nothing ever feels clean or comfortable. It is SOOO annoying. It makes sense though as the skin is the largest sensory organ in the somatic nervous system and it is feeding straight into the relevant parts of the brain that are currently getting battered by PTSD. I can't distinguish sometimes if it is psychosomatic or just CPTSD / SA symptoms, I just try to ignore it as best I can.

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Re: Some recent insights on Hyper Vigilance Hyper Arousal

Postby Terry E. » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:09 pm

Re the clothes, I think it is personal. In your case it may very well be PTSD or could it be something re triggering. Could the PTSD exacerbate a trigger ??

Warning: have lots of anecdotal evidence but zero professional quals.

With me it is always hearing. I would lie awake until my abuser had fallen asleep, only then could I sleep, so I would listen very carefully. When I get triggered I get super hearing, quite freaky really, and it is specific, my hearing is searching for very faint sounds filtering out the noise.

I honestly think the people with the real Quals are just scratching the surface on this stuff.

And welcome, so it took me so long to drop around, been doing crazy work travel.
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Re: Some recent insights on Hyper Vigilance Hyper Arousal

Postby Quoth » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:28 pm

I don’t usually post here but since I have been experiencing these issues it seems appropriate.
I’ve also been staring at the ‘post a reply’ box for the best part of an hour trying to get my thoughts together so this may be a little jumbled.

For me triggers associated with ptsd are always specific, there may be quite a convoluted connection, but there is always an element which connects back to a traumatic event. Given that psychological trauma is an event which completely overwhelms an individuals ability to cope and trauma disorders are fundamentally the psychological effects of being unable to integrate that experience I think this is consistent. That is as opposed to other psychiatric problems, most of which have correlations with abuse, but are not inherently trauma disorders.

The nature of the hyper vigilant/hyper arousal is always extremely primal. In the case of hyperarousal it’s always about perception of threat, like the ape who sees a glimpse of a predator and becomes alert to every small sound or movement. Hyper vigilance would be more akin to the wariness seen in wild animals. Things like social anxiety and paranoia are different in that they are often a far more ‘social’ reactions, the former often having to do with a sensation of inferiority about how you look or behave, and the later being characterised by heavily integrated persecutary delusions.

The last aspect would be just how unintegrated the experience is in terms of cognition. This morning by girlfriend trod on a dogs paw which caused it to squeal loudly which i upstairs heard as a scream. Now the very first thought I had was that a dog had just got trodden on but it didn’t make a damn bit of difference to the emotional and sensory reaction which followed. It’s now four and a half hours later and my senses are still on edge, that I now know for certain exactly what the problem was and have spent a couple of hours trying to use a variety of relaxation techniques has had little difference. I find that flashbacks work in the same way. I can stand there thinking that it isn’t happening again, know that it isn’t possible for it to be happening again but the waves of terror and despair run roughshod over cognitive control. It’s then a case of waiting for the reaction to subside and pull myself together again.

I think much of the confusion, particularly that surrounding C-PTSD/EPCACE/DESNOS is because it rarely occurs alone and the situations which are required to create it are nasty enough to create other types of disorder. Equally there are many for whom it is a more sympathetic descriptor than say BPD and other for whom the label itself is satisfying. I agree to a that trauma often exacerbates innate psychological tendencies but it doesn’t necessarily follow that the result of that is a trauma disorder.

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Re: Some recent insights on Hyper Vigilance Hyper Arousal

Postby seabreezeblue » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:58 pm

Quoth wrote:I think much of the confusion, particularly that surrounding C-PTSD/EPCACE/DESNOS is because it rarely occurs alone and the situations which are required to create it are nasty enough to create other types of disorder. Equally there are many for whom it is a more sympathetic descriptor than say BPD and other for whom the label itself is satisfying. I agree to a that trauma often exacerbates innate psychological tendencies but it doesn’t necessarily follow that the result of that is a trauma disorder.


agreed..

it's strange (to me) that i can go through an identical experience to someone else.. and we could end up with different disorders.. or one of us could end up completely (mostly) fine at the end of it.

For me, i fit with some symptoms of BPD.. but i most closely resemble someone with AvPD now. Yet the tests i took indicate no underlying personality disorder.

I also wonder just how many people with a diagnosis of BPD (or other PDs), would better fit with c-PTSD.. and i feel that PDs really shouldn't be diagnosed in many cases if the person has a significant history of trauma (at least not until a heavy duty dose of therapy has been given anyway).

Quoth wrote:For me triggers associated with ptsd are always specific, there may be quite a convoluted connection, but there is always an element which connects back to a traumatic event.


ditto..

i've spent a long time unpicking everything and know where most of my triggers come from.. i may not understand immediately why i've been triggered, but there's always a connection to a past traumatic event,
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Re: Some recent insights on Hyper Vigilance Hyper Arousal

Postby seabreezeblue » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:04 am

amberamber80 wrote:hes drive me bloody insane when I am experiencing my CPTSD and Severe Anxiety strongly. My body itches constantly, my clothes feel awkward and ill fitting to the point that I might change four or five times a day. Nothing ever feels clean or comfortable. It is SOOO annoying. It makes sense though as the skin is the largest sensory organ in the somatic nervous system and it is feeding straight into the relevant parts of the brain that are currently getting battered by PTSD. I can't distinguish sometimes if it is psychosomatic or just CPTSD / SA symptoms, I just try to ignore it as best I can.

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ouch.. i'm really sorry you have that as well.. it's so so annoying isn't it.

i've got to be having a really good day if i want to wear something i usually wouldn't.. most days i'm stuck wearing jeans and a vest top. really bad days an it's loose cotton trousers and a vest top.

good days can change though.. i've had to run to the toilet in a supermarket before and literally tear the tag out of a top i was fine in when i set out that morning. the supermarket was too much for me and all the sensory input built up together until i felt like screaming.. :|
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