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Re: Cured Narcissists?

Postby Akuma » Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:16 pm

First of all an empathy deficit is a problem in many illnesses, substance abuse, depression, psychosis, borderline disorders, bipolar, its quite a list. In the same way a "cure" for NPD is also a long list of stuff and empathy, relevance-wise, really is quite low on that list. More prominent is that the patient doesnt become psychotic for example or aborts treatment in a depressive, possibly suicidal state.
Secondly, pwNPD dont actually lack empathy. The existing studies show that pwBPD lack affective and cognitive empathy depending on the degree of their illness. In NPD its only affective empathy thats missing and also not necessarily totally, while cognitive empathy is usually intact if one isnt on the psychopathic end of the Kernbergian spectrum. I remember one of the later studies on CNPD for example actually describing pwCNPD as "interpersonally warm".
Frankly your misguided fixation on empathy seems silly and egocentric.
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Re: Cured Narcissists?

Postby Eight » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:47 am

For BPD, it's been shown via studies that Schema therapy is more effective than is Transference Focused Psychotherapy, and it's suspected this is true for some other PDs.
Both are valued therapeutic approaches, though neither claim a cure.
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Re: Cured Narcissists?

Postby Akuma » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:47 am

Eight wrote:For BPD, it's been shown via studies that Schema therapy is more effective than is Transference Focused Psychotherapy, and it's suspected this is true for some other PDs.
Both are valued therapeutic approaches, though neither claim a cure.


For BPD? Surprising. Do you have a reference?
For BPD the number that struck me the most was studies and follow-ups for MBT, which indicated that 87% of patients became symptom free.
[see "8-Year follow-up of patients treated for borderline personality disorder: mentalizationbased treatment versus treatment as usual." Am J Psychiatry. 2008;165:556–9]
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Re: Cured Narcissists?

Postby Eight » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:28 am

Akuma wrote:For BPD? Surprising. Do you have a reference?


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16754838

and others but it's late and I hope that suffices.
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Re: Cured Narcissists?

Postby Akuma » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:36 am

Yes Ive actually been reading them already, thanks.
Its interesting I wouldnt have expected SFT to be useful at all for BPD.
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Re: Cured Narcissists?

Postby dibita » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:34 pm

I've been in therapy for a while now and I'm not aiming for a cure, whatever that means. I went in wanting to lessen some symptoms and exploit people less to bring some stability into my life as examples, but I don't particularly care for a cure for my narcissism.
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Re: Cured Narcissists?

Postby kaloya123 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:32 pm

LittleHallucynation wrote:Yes, because I was better than all of the other narcissists. :wink:


You weren't better than all of the other narcissists. Anyways, how could have you known that? :D :D :D
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