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Is this approach applicable to you?

Postby AW10 » Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:07 am

I had some gender dysphoria feelings before I took following approach.

It turned out it comes to seeking to affirm as gender I feel I am.

Then I looked why I seek to affirm as that gender. Is it because I feel my body or mind is wrong the way it is, or because I am not being myself without that affirmation. I concluded that all is fine as long as I don't feel like something is wrong with my body and mind.

Then I considered will other people accept that affirmation. That created some anxiety, but if there is nothing wrong with my body and mind, it comes to courage to be myself and finding people who accept me that way, no matter how far I go with that affirmation.

On the other hand, I never could go far with that affirmation, as I realized I want to find some balance regarding it thus surgery and/or hormones will be too much. I also couldn't go far as I had at least one dissociative state that wasn't approving full transition.
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Re: Is this approach applicable to you?

Postby AW10 » Wed May 08, 2024 10:34 am

It seems that my case is: when I am in one of my OSDD alters, I basically seek to be a feminine man. I wonder can you help me figure out what would be a feminine man compared to a trans woman.
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Re: Is this approach applicable to you?

Postby Snaga » Mon May 20, 2024 1:30 am

AW10 wrote:It seems that my case is: when I am in one of my OSDD alters, I basically seek to be a feminine man. I wonder can you help me figure out what would be a feminine man compared to a trans woman.


A feminine man... is a feminine man. And I have a feeling that in the current climate, a lot of folks who feel non-gender-stereotypical have been convinced, or convinced themselves, that they're trans,

In the context of OSDD, I don't know, I've at one time had OSDD like symptoms but they have gone quiescent. I think there's some folks in the DID forum that struggle with gender identity between alts.

I would say, personally, that a feminine man is, well, a sissy. Effeminate. I'm a bit of one, though I wear a mask in my daily life. But you can't quite completely hide it, and those who know me closest know I have a strong feminine component. But I'm still male. I don't have dysphoria so much as envy. Or at least, it's not worth it to do anything about it. And that seems to be the dividing line, in my opinion.

I could dig around and find a test (very politically incorrect with the current Trans orthodoxy, but still useful) and link it if you wish. Not sure how well it would work in an OSDD environment, but it does sort of parse different levels of biologically male gender nonconformity.
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Re: Is this approach applicable to you?

Postby Triskelion » Fri May 24, 2024 1:38 pm

We did a test per part/alter for gender dysphoria. It resulted in >
Grey: mild dysphoria
Raven: no dysphoria
Kay: significant dysphoria
We all took the test from the standpoint of being entirely cis-female.

This caused quite some confusion for us.
To resolve this, we did the test again, but then by operating from the idea that we would be cis-male.
This was tricky, but yielded the following results:
Grey: significant dysphoria
Raven: significant dysphoria
Kay: significant dysphoria

From this we concluded that we are as a whole female, but that Kay has an averse reaction to gender in general.

This was a long way of saying that a test like Snaga suggests might help figure your situation out.

Now to answer your explicit question: "what would be a feminine man compared to a trans woman?"
- a trans woman would as shown by our rest results above, experience feelings of dysphoria when considered male. A feminine man however would feel fine being considered a male.
That's the simple way of putting it. The transcommunity would have you know that behaviour and interests are not gendered. Strictly speaking, they aren't, however, the people who identify as male and are dysphoria as females (whether they are cistern or trans) have higher levels of testosterone amongst other things. Testosterone also increases aggressive behaviour (necessary for hunter instincts) which means males are more likely to be aggressive. There are more telltale signs like that but they aren't exclusive and therefore not the best way to look at things. Empathy is a trait that research shows that males need to be taught by females, but would you say an empathic male is a female ? No, you would probably not.
So your question only has a rather stereotypical answer. A feminine man is a man that behaves in a way that matches with the traits commonly associated with the female gender while identifying and physically appearing as male.

Long answer but I hope that made sense and helped.
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Re: Is this approach applicable to you?

Postby AW10 » Sat May 25, 2024 2:07 pm

Thank you for your answers. Test probably wouldn't help clear my situation as it is rather in-between two worlds. When I am in the alter I mentioned, I fully accept male body yet still identify as female that resolved to keep things the way they are and focus on presentation thus femininity.

P.S.: Other alters, 7 alters identify as male, 2 alters identify as non-binary.
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