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Re: Need help

Postby Floralie » Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:17 pm

Just remember this one: as long as you know things you hear etc. are inside your mind, it is not psychotic. When you go psychotic, you can not tell it yourself. It's when you believe all you experience is true in outside world, and no question about it. In psychosis you can not tell the difference of internal and outside, with dissociative symptoms you can.

People who have DID can experience MORE positive symptoms of psychosis (hallucinations etc.) than people with schizophrenia, but they know the difference between internal and outside. Dissociation disorder patients have LESS negative symptoms of psychosis, like apathy. With DID there are no delusional beliefs about outside world, for example the feeling TV is talking to you or everything in the world is just secret codes for you to find out their meaning. In dissociation disorders there is no such delusions.

If you google differentiation dissociation vs psychosis, you find several pages with examples how to tell the difference. But there's a saying "as long as you are questioning are you crazy, likelihood is you're not".

Whether you need hospital or not, is about are you danger to yourself or others, and can you take care of yourself properly. Can you feed yourself, keep yourself and your apartment clean etc. So it's all very basics.

If you do need to go to hospital at some point, it does not mean you need to be there forever. If you are not danger to yourself or others and you can take care of yourself and act reasonably, they have no reason to keep you there. It's expensive to keep people in institutions like that. And even if you can not go back to where you live now, it's not the only place in this world you can live in. So don't give up before anything has even happened. You do your therapy and you work your way out of there if you do need that. It is very important you have right diagnose and right treatment to it. There are plenty of people who have DID with the schizophrenia diagnosis in the hospitals, and since they are not getting the help they need (trauma therapy), but are just medicated (which does not cure DID) they can end up living there for a long time, because they are wrongly diagnosed.

That's why it's hard for me to understand why you'd be rather diagnosed with schizophrenia than OSDD. That is the worst scenario, to be locked up as schizophrenic when you actually have DID. It's not gonna improve if treated like psychosis. So I think you are very lucky you have that OSDD diagnose and it is from a specialist. Therefor it's way less likely for you to end up like that ever.

As someone pointed before, we do not have any answers to your internal things. Neither does Ts. You are the one with all the answers, even if you don't know them at the moment. That's why it's important for T to ask questions from you, not the other way round. They can help you find your answers inside of you, but they do not have them ready for you, because they are internal, inside your mind, not ours or Ts.
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Re: Need help

Postby Malasha » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:48 pm

Dnester wrote: I have also been having weird things happen to me. One is I just feel like I am literally just going to lose my mind. I dont know how to explain.


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Re: Need help

Postby Una+ » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:44 pm

Hearing a known person's voice in your head is kinda freaky, yup. But it is not insane, not even a sure sign of mental illness of any kind. It happens. Your counselor's voice may be a good voice to have, a helping voice. You might find some comfort in reading Oliver Sack's book Hallucinations, so you will see you really are not alone.

No one knows why these symptoms are as they are, but we do know the reason why is in our physical brains. How do we know that? Because the symptoms are virtually the same everywhere on the planet.
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Re: Need help

Postby Malasha » Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:01 am

Una+ wrote:Hearing a known person's voice in your head is kinda freaky, yup. But it is not insane, not even a sure sign of mental illness of any kind. It happens.

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Re: Need help

Postby Una+ » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:36 pm

Malasha wrote:don't trust your voices. The voices always lie!

This advice is very inappropriate. Please stop.
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Re: Need help

Postby Sarandipity » Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:27 pm

I agree with Una. Not listening is really really bad advice. If I'd listened to internal voices saying stuff I don't particularly like I wouldn't be in the mess I'm in with Mandy, I'd of been aware there was another alter in my system I wasn't aware of but instead I thought I was thinking those things and tried to squash them. They were not squashed, they festered, grew and hid till they got what they wanted and now its pretty much out of control and I don't know what to do. So listen to the stuff especially stuff you don't want to hear and ask who's saying it and what's making them say it and ask them all about themselves because if you don't they will most likely find an outlet, a way to trick you into getting what they want and they probably won't know what they're doing either and it won't be their fault. When they say things it's an opportunity to start a dialogue and heal if you talk to them, if you ignore them it will most likely make everything worse. Beth
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Re: Need help

Postby Dnester » Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:37 pm

Una+ did you have chatter at night only even if you took a nap during the day? Also when the thoughts were popping up could you stop them mid sentence. That makes me curious if they are just thoughts. I was outside smoking this morning and I felt possessed because I started talking in my head but I dont know what it was about and just stopped it by switching my thoughts to something else. So it could just be thoughts right?

Malasha I appreciate your trying to help me but you are making things harder for me. I have come to the conclusion that I am probably having some hypngogic hallucinations at night but thst doesnt mean I am schizophrenic. As far as other voices I dont have them. They are thoughts. You are confusing me further on all of this and I am not in a emotional state where that is helpful.
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Re: Need help

Postby SeveralCrows » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:26 pm

We've had communication between parts in the hypnagogic state before sleep. Typically this occurs more for us with alters who don't have as good of communication with the rest of the system. Something about that state makes it easier for the messages to get through, at least for us.

Given how much distress you seem to have over defining what it is you have, or whether or not for sure you have OSDD/DID, it seems like it would be helpful for you to pay attention to your experiences with curiosity and non-judgement. When you hear voices, listen to what they say and look for common themes. Just because you're experiencing your mind in a way that is atypical for someone without a psychological diagnosis doesn't mean that you're losing your mind. The symptoms and how they affect you are more important than where precisely the cluster of symptoms fall in the DSM. The DSM is also a work-in-progress, imperfect and incomplete. I understand that having a diagnosis to grasp onto can be very validating or at least give you a sense of control over what's going on, but knowing your own experiences well is also very grounding and will help you to better navigate treatment.

Regarding the time of chatter: do you ever give yourself a time in the day to do nothing besides when you go to bed? It may be that the chatter is awaiting a time of quiet solitude to address you and that's the only one available. Particularly given that you swatted the chatter away when outside smoking, it seems like making space for the chatter at other times would give you some more information to work with.

Wishing you luck in getting to know what's going on, regardless of what precisely it is.
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Re: Need help

Postby Dnester » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:50 pm

Well I actually have a DDNOS diagnosis. Then I have from this current therapist a could be diagnosis of Unspecified Dissociative Didorder. In May I am actualky going back to the person that gave me the DDNOS diagnosis because she is supposed to be the best in my town if not State. I always thought I just had intrusive thoughts so I had learned to push them away. It will take some practice to listen to them.
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Re: Need help

Postby Dnester » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:21 am

As far as the chatter they are thoughts not voices. I have the thoughts mainly at night before I go to sleep when I have my eyes closed. Sometimes if I take a nap during the day I will have the thoughts when my eyes are closed getting ready for my nap but its rare. So not sure why theh are always at night.
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