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Not Distinct Enough?

Postby Baldanders » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:37 pm

The psychologist who finally diagnosed us with DDNOS said that we aren't distinct enough for DID because we know we share a body and a legal name. We are confused by this because we've come across several DID systems who are also aware that they share a body and legal name.
What does it mean to be "distinct enough?

(The reason we care is because we keep coming across things that say that, if we're not distinct enough, then we're not really our own individual alters. But we are and we really don't like the implication that we're not.)
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Re: Not Distinct Enough?

Postby VioletFlux » Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:00 pm

Hey, so not a doctor here or therapist or whatever, but we've done a lotta reading and stuff.

DDNOS / OSDD has a bunch of sub-designations or whatever, and one of the examples we read was of a system where the alters were all versions of the host, but at different ages or different stages of life. Your T might be thinking of that sorta thing?

I'm not maybe describing it right, but I think its where they're saying cos you share the name and body?

Also, a lotta DDNOS / OSDD diagnosises eventually get 'upgraded' to DID, cos the T doing the diagnosis may not see or notice all the 'required' symptoms for a while, and things kinda come out gradually.

It isn't really a big difference tho from one to the other, the treatment is the same for both.

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Re: Not Distinct Enough?

Postby TheGangsAllHere » Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:48 pm

There is nothing in the criteria that says the parts can’t know that they share a body and a legal name. Do the parts have their own thoughts and feelings, and is there any amnesia for past or present events?

If there are distinct parts but no amnesia, that’s OSDD 1b, and if there’s amnesia but the parts are more like “different versions” of you, and not very distinct, that’s OSDD 1a, but these distinctions are fairly arbitrary, and like Viola said, the treatment is the same.

It’s your experience that counts, and a therapist’s job is to validate it, not to argue with it. If this was just someone you saw for diagnosis, then it’s less important than if you plan to see them for therapy.
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Re: Not Distinct Enough?

Postby Baldanders » Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:18 pm

We are not all versions of a host. We are our own selves. Heck, we don't even have one host. A group of us have been tag teaming for the past couple years.

TheGangsAllHere wrote:Do the parts have their own thoughts and feelings, and is there any amnesia for past or present events?

Yes and yes.
Of course we have our own thoughts and feelings. If we didn't, we would never have even considered the possibility of having DID or DDNOS. Sure, we have some things in common, but that doesn't mean we're not different. Even with being different, we had to be convinced to at least consider it (by other systems- the mental health system here is a literal nightmare) and there are still days where some of us think it must be our imagination and that we're faking.

It is important to me whether or not we are distinct enough to be real. It is important to me whether other people consider us to be real enough to not be punished.

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Re: Not Distinct Enough?

Postby TheGangsAllHere » Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:22 pm

Hi Aubrey,

I recommend posting (and reading) on the DID forum. It's much more active and an official DID diagnosis is not required.

Did you tell the psychologist that you are each distinct and different? Did any of you front and talk to them and express your disagreement with their conclusion? You're the expert on YOU.
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Re: Not Distinct Enough?

Postby Baldanders » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:00 pm

TheGangsAllHere wrote:Did you tell the psychologist that you are each distinct and different? Did any of you front and talk to them and express your disagreement with their conclusion? You're the expert on YOU.


I'm pretty sure we did, but I can't really remember. We were pretty dissociated and switchy.

According to our journal, someone among us questioned her, but she wasn't very helpful (to say the least). Hyde had previously come out to argue with her because she had initially refused to give us the assessment despite us being told that the whole reason we were referred to her was to get that assessment. The psychologist was treating that as unjustified hostility and also suggesting things like getting rid of some of us, so they just wanted to nope out of there without much more drama.
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Re: Not Distinct Enough?

Postby Johnny-Jack » Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:27 pm

Baldanders wrote:The psychologist who finally diagnosed us with DDNOS said that we aren't distinct enough for DID because we know we share a body and a legal name.

Huh, that sounds...not thought out. It may be appropriate for a therapist to start with an early diagnosis with DDNOS based on observed or reported dissociation and identify confusion. But excluding DID based on the two characteristics you give isn't valid. Of course, I can only go on what you've wrote so maybe they're considering a bunch of other factors.

A real problem with this assumption is that the first alters known in some systems are often similar -- they may be the ones who participate most often in therapy. Also many alters won't present much differently to a new person, including a therapist. Many systems work hard to "pass" as a single person. We sure did and do.

In my system all of us with whom we have regular, solid communication, well over 50 of (currently) 74 alters, know we share a body and a legal name. There's zero disagreement about that and there's no reason for me to think there's anyone who doesn't understand that (save the infants). The littles might not use "legal name" but they know our body goes by the names John or Johnny and if asked, that's what they'll give (also trying to lower their voice!) We're certainly DID and diagnosed by several therapists as this.

As they heal, most systems gain awareness they're part of a group of alters/people/parts in a single body and most probably know the body's legal name, as well as many other details of the combined life. The two characteristics could just as easily be seen as a confirmation of communication and healing in a DID system rather than an indication it's not DID.
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