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detachment vs inhibition vs psychomotor retardation, etc

Postby user03 » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:03 pm

i was initially gonna post this thread in the schizotypal or personality disorder threads but i thought that maybe i might have more people viewing the post here and / or get better answers as i haven't had much luck in the personality disorder forums in general. so i just made the title on the differences between detachment vs inhibition vs psychomotor retardation, i wanted to see what anyone's take is on this as i haven't been able to find a clear definition for detachment and / or differentiating it with inhibition.

i added psychomotor retardation because it's something that can be manifested as a commorbid problem with the two and / or be caused by the two, although there are more things to be added.
the last time i was speaking with my psychologist, i mentioned to her on one of my experiences in childhood in 5th or 6th grade, i was in a basketball game and we were short a point or two i believe, and i had intercepted the ball towards the ending but couldn't follow through because i became "over-excited" or "over-stimulated" or "overwhelmed" by the audience in the background chanting for me.

this caused me to stumble and have a "moment" where instead of being serious, i became the complete opposite and this is where i stumbled by dribbling the ball to the right, away from the direction of hoop to which i needed to score on ( i intercepted around the half court line or so ), and at the same time i was smiling as if i was high or something and it took some second or two to recaliberate from that and try to score but i was a bit late as one defender already was too ahead of me and kind of just throw the ball in a half assed manner for a layup and it missed.

so i was just wondering if anyone has ever experienced this and / or what could be the name or description to give to it, this of course was at a very young age and developmentally i am different now which is why i wrote the whole detachment vs inhibition vs psychomotor retardation aspect because i noticed as i got older, i would use one of these because i felt off and out of place, and essentially, that formed my personality or part of my personality but it still doesn't explain what is what exactly and the causes.

my psychologist mentioned that the basketball experience i had is like the opposite end of psychomotor retardation, so instead of just being frozen in awkwardness and social clumsiness, you release those feelings overtly i suppose? btw i wanted to include that i have a diagnosis of schizotypal personality disorder and major depressive disorder, i relate to both, however, often i question whether my stpd is really explained by another condition such as sluggish cognitive tempo or at least commorbid with it, russell barkley's recent presentation showed that at least 25 percent of sct people were already diagnosed with depression in the most recent national survey he did and as someone who has followed his research, i have to say, that this was pretty important to me.

i have a hard time accepting the schizotypal diagnosis because i feel like a lot of things people might see in me are confused as schizotypal symptoms such as not "Getting things" or seeing things in a different way, the only things i sometimes feel like i have is some of the negative symptoms described by katie morton in the what is psychosis video she has, but i think those were not psychosis but part of depression, it's confusing. i sometimes may feel weird or strange, but it isn't like i believe in some superficial or random thing, i don't get any hallucinations, delusions or any of that stuff, but sometimes i may isolate myself more and / or get this scary dreadful feeling, but it's not empty / depressed feeling, it's a agitating or stressful feeling, like my brain is going haywire and i can't seem to pinpoint what it is i am feeling or what's going on.

this can happen too or feel similar when my digestion system acts up as usual, but more specifically at night when i have to go to sleep, it can be very stressful because i have to let my body do what it does and it can be very irritating not knowing what it is either, i attribute it to a combination of traumatic / emotional aspects and physical / biological problems like gut / brain connection, food intolerances and sensitivities, etc. with the whole depression or possibly psychosis related end, i can stuff myself food a lot which i may end up getting full and then i may skip a meal or not each as much due to a myriad of reasons, such as it getting to late, being full and simply not having much of an appetite.

i was hoping someone can relate, one example of the psychomotor retardation case is when i was at a family friends' house, it was me, my brother, my cousin, his cousin, and the family friend's daughter, we were playing monopoly or some board game, they were playing music time from time, and then there was a specific song that they put, after this stimulus, i immediately became uncomfortable from the song and the way it sounded while being with other people in the social environment.

i am not sure if i was already participating in the board games we were playing but after the song stimulus part, i slowly crawled underneath a nearby table and just sort of layed there awkwardly, at one point, one of them asked me if i was ok or something and i think i was like yeh, im ok, and it was just very uncomfortably for me the entire time.

also in most of my grade school years, from early puberty ( age 10-11 or so ) till now still, ( 25 years old now ), i would often put my head down in class for up to long periods because of being overwhelmed emotionally or feeling awkward / clumsy / uncomfortable from the social environment, so much that it caused neck or back pain, and i attribute this to part of my depression cause, like putting myself in stress positions most of my life because of the environment being a problem.

interestingly, Russell Barkley's slide on sct PERFECTLY explained what i felt like my entire life and growing up, the slide mentions they may escape situations out of discomfort or related issues, and that's exactly what i wrote about and experienced.
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Re: detachment vs inhibition vs psychomotor retardation, etc

Postby Sepia » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:53 pm

Psychomotor retardation is the slowing of thoughts and reduction in movements. For example, a person experiencing this might speak slowly, walk slowly, or remain motionless for long periods before they are able to will themselves to move. People with depression and psychomotor retardation might have trouble getting out of bed in the morning, doing household chores and shopping, and performing job duties, not necessarily because they don't want to but because they are unable to function normally. Having it feels like your mind and body are drifting off into a deep sleep. Your breathing is slowed, your mind is blank and sleepy, your body seems glued to your chair, and the idea of getting up and moving feels far away and inaccessible.

The opposite of psychomotor retardation is psychomotor agitation, an increase in movement which can involve restless pacing and fidgeting.

What you describe sounds unrelated to psychomotor retardation. If I'm understanding correctly, it sounds like you're describing anxiety triggered by sensory stimulation. Several conditions come to mind that might be related to this.

Autism: people with autism are highly sensitive to sensory stimulation and are easily overstimulated, leading to 'meltdowns'
Panic Disorder: panic attacks are triggered by internal physical sensations such as an increase in body temperature or changes in breathing patterns, but to the person experiencing these attacks they seem to come out of the blue
OCD: obsessions can involve feeling that something is somehow off or wrong, due to superstition or sometimes without knowing why, such as feeling disturbed by the color red, imagining that if they step on a crack something bad will happen, or obsessing over something in their environment that disturbs them for no particular reason
Schizophrenia-spectrum disorders: sensory processing abnormalities including sensitivity to environmental stimulation and sensory flooding are associated with schizophrenia and related disorders
Generalized Anxiety Disorder: anxiety in general can lead to increased sensitivity to environmental stimulation
PTSD: people with this condition are often hypervigilant to their surroundings and may be triggered by sensory information resembling their trauma, such as a song that was playing while the trauma occurred
Sensory Processing Disorder: a childhood diagnosis which involves being oversensitive or undersensitive to specific modes of sensory information (such as sound, sight, motion)
ADHD: may involve experiences of sensory overload
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Re: detachment vs inhibition vs psychomotor retardation, etc

Postby user03 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:27 am

Sepia wrote:Psychomotor retardation is the slowing of thoughts and reduction in movements. For example, a person experiencing this might speak slowly, walk slowly, or remain motionless for long periods before they are able to will themselves to move. People with depression and psychomotor retardation might have trouble getting out of bed in the morning, doing household chores and shopping, and performing job duties, not necessarily because they don't want to but because they are unable to function normally. Having it feels like your mind and body are drifting off into a deep sleep. Your breathing is slowed, your mind is blank and sleepy, your body seems glued to your chair, and the idea of getting up and moving feels far away and inaccessible.

The opposite of psychomotor retardation is psychomotor agitation, an increase in movement which can involve restless pacing and fidgeting.

What you describe sounds unrelated to psychomotor retardation. If I'm understanding correctly, it sounds like you're describing anxiety triggered by sensory stimulation. Several conditions come to mind that might be related to this.

Autism: people with autism are highly sensitive to sensory stimulation and are easily overstimulated, leading to 'meltdowns'
Panic Disorder: panic attacks are triggered by internal physical sensations such as an increase in body temperature or changes in breathing patterns, but to the person experiencing these attacks they seem to come out of the blue
OCD: obsessions can involve feeling that something is somehow off or wrong, due to superstition or sometimes without knowing why, such as feeling disturbed by the color red, imagining that if they step on a crack something bad will happen, or obsessing over something in their environment that disturbs them for no particular reason
Schizophrenia-spectrum disorders: sensory processing abnormalities including sensitivity to environmental stimulation and sensory flooding are associated with schizophrenia and related disorders
Generalized Anxiety Disorder: anxiety in general can lead to increased sensitivity to environmental stimulation
PTSD: people with this condition are often hypervigilant to their surroundings and may be triggered by sensory information resembling their trauma, such as a song that was playing while the trauma occurred
Sensory Processing Disorder: a childhood diagnosis which involves being oversensitive or undersensitive to specific modes of sensory information (such as sound, sight, motion)
ADHD: may involve experiences of sensory overload


well i definitely have / experienced both psychomotor retardation and psychomotor agitation,

although i would disagree with you that the experiences i had, at least with the basketball one, to due to "anxiety", it's not like i was "anxious", as a matter of fact, this was something i didn't mention because of the amount of detail required but part of it, if not all of it, had to do with a previous experience i had with another basketball player, i remembered him for the way he played and the way he looked visually on the floor, particularly when he had intercepted the ball from one game, and i, and my brother and cousin for example, we would get excited from this and be like, look, it's that guy, because he was one of the better basketball players in the league at the time.

so having these memories and thoughts on this individual, it had immediately popped up to me when i intercepted the basketball in that game i mentioned in my previous post, and since the memory "got to me" so much, it made me emotional and i couldn't really focus and be serious in the game, sort of like i went "koo koo" or in my world for a second, and laughed / smiled through it while trying to recaliberate myself back into the game, so it wasn't a traumatic or haunted feeling, it was more of a combination of social awkwardness / social clumsiness, while being aware of the crowd cheering me and being the center of attention, which made the situation overwhelming for me.

dont get me wrong, i am not saying it wasn't sensory either, it was, the crowd was a large factor as i heard them banging their feet down as they were cheering me / rooting for me, but it was emotional too, like i got overwhelmed / or possibly had somewhat of a "meltdown" as you mentioned, because of all the emotions / combined with sensory things going on, i had that "moment" with looking off and dribbling the ball in a disoriented manner because i found it funny right after i stole the ball, immediately i heard the crowd cheering me like there's no tommorow.

but i can give you a similar feeling that i do get / or have acted like / behaved like before, if you have ever watched dragonballz, particularly the episode with yamcha talking about bulma, it was in the android saga i think, but basically he had a "moment" where he kind of "lost it" and he was smiling really hard and trying to contain himself, and that animal, his friend of whatever was trying to see if he was ok, and that's how exactly how i have felt before on some occasions, it's one reason too i avoid certain situations because i have a tendency / vulnerably to overreact emotionally or awkwardly in social situations like smiling uncomfortably or staring at people for too long, which i suppose has to do with being "Schizotypal" or having a certain personality type, or other factors.

btw, i had made a seperate thread in the past related to the smiling thing too.
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