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Electra and Oedipus

Permanent Linkby coneyislandking on Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:24 pm

It is my belief that a child's relationship with their mother determines their attitudes about themselves, and that a child's relationship with their father determines their attitudes about others. I don't understand how this will work for a child with two parents of the same sex. I guess it requires that one parent take the role of mother and the other of father.

I think it is possible for anyone to have an Electra or Oedipus complex, regardless of their gender identity or sex.

An Electra complex is when someone never outgrew the diffuse boundaries between mother and self, so they never stopped believing they deserved the same things from their father that their mother gets. In girls, this is typically what happens when the father is too affectionate, giving the daughter a reason to believe she is her mother's equal. In boys, this is likely when there is no father figure, and its likelihood is exacerbated if the son's relationship with the mother is sporadically inappropriate. Without a father figure, or even a parent figure in some instances, the son seeks a father in everyone they meet, not unlike what is common in disinhibited attachment disorder.In girls, this state may also occur if her mother is absent, thrusting her into the role of wife and mother.

An Oedipus complex is when a child's boundaries with the father are diffused. The child becomes jealous of the father's perceived ownership of the mother, and strives to possess the mother as well. In boys, this can happen when father is absent, when father is inconsistent, or when father exploits his ownership of mother. Basically, if son has reason to think his father needs to be replaced, and thinks he himself could do a better job. In both boys and girls, this state may occur if they are thrust into the position of protecting their family, namely their mother and siblings, especially in the unvalidated absence of father.

Though I believe both occur in both genders, there is still enough difference to keep the two states distinct.

Someone with an Electra complex (an electric) never receives narcissistic validation. Someone with an Oedipus complex (an oedipal) is often narcissistically validated, especially when they are thrust into the position of protector.

The drive of the oedipal is to possess, the drive of the electric is to be possessed.

Another difference is that the electric is more likely to be close to their father over their mother, if they are close to either parent at all. The oedipal is often close to, or protective of their mother. Both conditions are exacerbated by the absence of either parent, however.

Electrically conflicted people may develop symptoms of Histrionic personality disorder, while Oedipally conflicted people are more likely to develop Narcissistic personality disorder.

I am not in a position to make this distinction, I just found the idea interesting.

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