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Re: The Official Off Topic Thread

Postby salles » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:47 pm

justonemoreperson wrote:
That said, there are more reasons why coincidences occur, and not all of them are easily understood or explained.

It doesn't make them "mystical" but it does show that we perceive the world around us in ways that we don't really understand.


I do wonder about Jungs theory of a collective subconsious at times.
Today I mentioned to a co-worker that I woke up thinking of J. who suicided some months ago. He was a friend of hers, not mine, but I had been on duty when the ambulance was called. She had also thought of him this morning for the first time in weeks. A mutual acquaintance posted a tribute to him on Facebook this morning. None of the three of us had partaken in any activity or common experience to induce his memory.
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Re: The Official Off Topic Thread

Postby Manners73 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:27 am

Brandon1 wrote:
Manners73 wrote:I'm a coincidence person.

Yet you see it as weird.


Weird, strange, bizarre, odd, funny, just take your pick.
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Re: The Official Off Topic Thread

Postby justonemoreperson » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:08 pm

salles wrote:
I do wonder about Jungs theory of a collective subconsious at times.
Today I mentioned to a co-worker that I woke up thinking of J. who suicided some months ago. He was a friend of hers, not mine, but I had been on duty when the ambulance was called. She had also thought of him this morning for the first time in weeks. A mutual acquaintance posted a tribute to him on Facebook this morning. None of the three of us had partaken in any activity or common experience to induce his memory.



From what I know about Jung, which isn't much, his theory of a collective unconscious seems to stem more from learned instinct than a shared unconscious. An example of this is one I've mentioned before, where birds in a field near where I live will quite happily sit in a tree while you walk around, but will fly away if you point a rifle at them, even if they've not been shot at before.

From your experience above, my guess is that something triggered that memory in all of you and it's probably something completely unrelated and not seen as important to you at the time.

It might be a particular weather on the day, a song that was playing on the radio that you all shared separately, possibly a news item that was similar to one on the day.

It would have been something that would be attached to the memory of the incident but irrelevant to it, and so you don't consciously see the connection.
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Re: The Official Off Topic Thread

Postby salles » Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:44 pm

justonemoreperson wrote:
From what I know about Jung, which isn't much, his theory of a collective unconscious seems to stem more from learned instinct than a shared unconscious. An example of this is one I've mentioned before, where birds in a field near where I live will quite happily sit in a tree while you walk around, but will fly away if you point a rifle at them, even if they've not been shot at before.

Yes. I tend to put my own spin on it and have used it ( incorrectly) to explain weird coincidences and the concept of 'collective karmic debt', which is something that intrigued me when I first heard of it some years ago on a course.
You are right according to this explanation.
According to Jung's teachings, the collective unconscious is common to all human beings and is responsible for a number of deep-seated beliefs and instincts, such as spirituality, sexual behavior, and life and death instincts.

Jomp-
From your experience above, my guess is that something triggered that memory in all of you and it's probably something completely unrelated and not seen as important to you at the time.

It might be a particular weather on the day, a song that was playing on the radio that you all shared separately, possibly a news item that was similar to one on the day.

It would have been something that would be attached to the memory of the incident but irrelevant to it, and so you don't consciously see the connection.

I have wracked my brains to find a common link. I guess one link could be the spate of 'tragedies' that have occurred in the area recently, and we all probably listed them in our minds. Three of us out of 100's chose J as an example to feed the misery :)
A part of me likes to believe in something other than a logical reason tho', i'll admit that.
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Re: The Official Off Topic Thread

Postby justonemoreperson » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:25 pm

salles wrote:A part of me likes to believe in something other than a logical reason tho', i'll admit that.


There's no shame in that.

There's 8 billion people in the world who have an adamant belief in something that, when you come down to it, is based on nothing but a desire to believe.
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Re: The Official Off Topic Thread

Postby Manners73 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:54 pm

I used to get déjà vu a lot when I was younger and it happened to me yesterday.

I was just sat there in work minding my own business and all of a sudden everything that was happening around me was in kind of slow motion and it was as though it was an action replay.

I swear, there was balls being thrown and someone fell off a chair and people clowning about and laughing. I knew it was the déjà vu but it's a really odd sensation when it happens.
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Re: The Official Off Topic Thread

Postby Brandon1 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:03 pm

Manners73 wrote:I used to get déjà vu a lot when I was younger and it happened to me yesterday.

I was just sat there in work minding my own business and all of a sudden everything that was happening around me was in kind of slow motion and it was as though it was an action replay.

I swear, there was balls being thrown and someone fell off a chair and people clowning about and laughing. I knew it was the déjà vu but it's a really odd sensation when it happens.

I've had déjà vu many times. I've also had dreams about things that have happened the same way I dreamt them.
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Re: The Official Off Topic Thread

Postby Manners73 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:16 pm

Well I tried to do a bit of research about it.

It said something about it's when your subconscious and your consciousness are in communication with each other or something like that anyway.

Or maybe it was when your consciousness becomes aware of your subconscious.

It's something to do with that your subconscious is aware of what has happened 6 seconds before your consciousness and déjà vu occurs when your consciousness remembers what your subconscious is already aware of and that is why you think that you have just relived a situation but you can't put your finger on why.

It kind of makes sense to me this idea.
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Re: The Official Off Topic Thread

Postby Brandon1 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:39 pm

I distinctly remember having dreams of the future, but that's crazy...

...Or is it?
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Re: The Official Off Topic Thread

Postby Manners73 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:37 pm

I woke up at 4:30 this morning right in the middle of a dream where I was taking off in a plane.

I still felt like I was flying for ages when I woke up.

I had to hold on to my mattress.
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