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Postby Geeb » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:24 pm

Ok, so several sources have listed dissocial, antisocial, sociopathic and psychopathic personality disorders as different disorders. Is there any difference at all and if so, are all covered by the umbrella-term psychopathy?

Apologies if it's at the wrong side of town and whatnot, but figured it was a good a place as any.
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Postby Chucky » Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:22 am

It depends on which classification system you look at. The DSM-IV (The main one in the US) groups most o these together as follows:

Personality disorders
    Cluster A (odd or eccentric)
    Paranoid personality disorder
    Schizoid personality disorder
    Schizotypal personality disorder

    Cluster B (dramatic, emotional, or erratic)
    Antisocial personality disorder
    Borderline personality disorder
    Histrionic personality disorder
    Narcissistic personality disorder

    Cluster C (anxious or fearful)
    Avoidant personality disorder
    Dependent personality disorder
    Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder


It then lists Dissociative disorders on their own, and includes the following: Depersonalisation disorder, Dissociative amnaesia, Dissociative fugue, and Dissociative identity disorder.


Why do you want to know this anyway?

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Postby Geeb » Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:06 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissocial_ ... y_disorder

That's what I'm referring to. I can't seem to get a clear cut answer about what is what. Dissocial, not dissociative. This is really just my curiousity, there's been so much wild biased speculation around ASPD so I figured I'd find out what the thing around all of this actually means...
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Postby Chucky » Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:09 pm

DID is known by a few different things: Dissociative PD, Dissociative Identity Disorder, etc. ASPD does indeed have a bad reputation, as does Schizophrenia. However, I know people here who have both and are generally kind people. They are in control of their lives and don't allow their 'natural tendencies' to cause themselves problems.

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Postby DeathBoat » Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:12 am

North America tends to use the DSM-IV-TR, whereas other places use a criteria that the World Health Organization (WHO) made called ICD-10 (International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems 10th Revision).

In North America, dissocial and anti-social PDs (personality disorders) are not interchangable as they have slightly different criteria, as the DSM-IV-TR and ICD-10 focus on different aspects for each disorder.

If you're in North America, you'd probably say anti-social as defined in DSM-IV-TR. In some parts of Europe, you'd say dissocial as defined in ICD-10 and WHO.

Dissocial PD is in no way a dissociative disorder, such as dissociative identity disorder (DID), formerly called Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD).
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Re: Definitions

Postby DTanglang » Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:32 am

The DSM-IV does not include all the answers. Specifically, if considering Dissocial Personality, Antisocial Personality, Sociopathic Personality, and Psychopathic Personality Disorders, you should read the top researchers such as Dr. Cleckley, Dr. Hare, Dr. Blair, etc.

Antisocial Personality Disorder, according to their general consensus, is exemplified as per the DSM-IV. An example would be criminals who continuously break the law (even after recieving punishment) - thieves, drug dealers, gang members, extortionists, con artists, etc. are specific examples. However, such individuals are still able to achieve ranges of emotions and socialization with personal and therapeutic help.

Sociopathy has been viewed as a problem of impulsivity regardless of normal / excessive anxiety. Usually, when discussed, it has been largely viewed as a problem of nurture (environment). They tend to be emotionally chaotic due to opposing nature of their psychology.

Psychopathy has been viewed as a problem of impulsivity alongside NO anxiety. Usually, when discussed, it has been largely viewed as a problem of nature (genetics). They tend to be emotionally cold (regardless of possible charm) due to depleted nature of their psychology.

You may compare antisocial personality, sociopathy, & psychopathy within certain films:
Antisocial - any film where criminal still feels emotion/social integration

Sociopathy - Evelyn Draper in "Play Misty for Me"
Kirill in "Eastern Promises"
Conner Rooney in "Road to Perdition"
Lisa Rowe in "Girl, Interrupted"

Psychopathy - Nurse Mildred Ratched in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest"
Anton Chigurh in "No Country for Old Men"
Gaear Grimsrud in "Fargo"
Drew (a business man) in "Meet Joe Black"

Most Sociopaths and Psychopaths are NOT involved in obvious criminal behavior, but the term Anti-social is related to anti-social / criminal behavior. Antisocial PD is a more generalized condition.

These were some of my takes on reading the aforementioned Doctors' works.
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Postby Geeb » Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:46 am

Very educational and much appreciated, thank you!

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