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Psychopathy and gender fluidity

Postby morbid3 » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:19 am

Here and there in the literature, it's claimed that psychopaths are typically gender-fluid. I think Reaper also mentioned somewhere that s/he is.

A few questions about this. Note this is about psychopaths, not all ASPD-diagnosed types.

1) Is it true in your own observation?
2) In my very limited experience, gender-fluid persons tend to physically appear androgynous, so somewhere in the center of the feminine-masculine spectrum, making it easier to shift from one to the other, depending on the mood. Is this correct?
3) Does this mean that a biologically female psychopath is unlikely to appear as extremely feminine in the way she does her hair, her finger nails, clothes, the way she walks etc?
4) How about male psychopaths? Would the average observer notice a drift into feminine patterns of appearance or behavior at times?
5) This is probably a really silly question but would the female-born, gender-fluid psychopath at times wish they had a penis, considering how in sexuality the penis is sometimes considered a symbol of potency, power, even dominance?

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Re: Psychopathy and gender fluidity

Postby Reaper » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:57 am

morbid3 wrote:Here and there in the literature, it's claimed that psychopaths are typically gender-fluid. I think Reaper also mentioned somewhere that s/he is.

A few questions about this. Note this is about psychopaths, not all ASPD-diagnosed types.


1) Is it true in your own observation?

In my own personal observation, yes. I wouldn't say that all psychopaths are gender-fluid though because there are bound to be some that aren't.


2) In my very limited experience, gender-fluid persons tend to physically appear androgynous, so somewhere in the center of the feminine-masculine spectrum, making it easier to shift from one to the other, depending on the mood. Is this correct?

Yes and no. It's not dependent on mood. It's dependent on circumstance and what benefits me most at the time. I can be anything I want to be online - male or female, but in real life it's a little trickier since I can't exactly hide my breasts (they're not small) and I don't have a masculine voice.

I am androgynous, but not as much as someone who you can't physically tell if they're male or female.

This is basically how I'd look if I were 20 years younger and had my hair cut short:

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3) Does this mean that a biologically female psychopath is unlikely to appear as extremely feminine in the way she does her hair, her finger nails, clothes, the way she walks etc?

No, she could appear more feminine if she wanted to. Put on a nice dress, throw on some make-up that accentuates her more feminine features and she'd definitely pass as more feminine than masculine. Maybe not extremely feminine, but certainly feminine enough to attract men.

Think Ruby Rose. She's the perfect example of someone who can switch between genders:




4) How about male psychopaths? Would the average observer notice a drift into feminine patterns of appearance or behavior at times?

No idea.


5) This is probably a really silly question but would the female-born, gender-fluid psychopath at times wish they had a penis, considering how in sexuality the penis is sometimes considered a symbol of potency, power, even dominance?

I'm already Dominant enough without a penis, so I certainly don't need one for that reason. I have wished I had a real penis, but only because I feel more like a man than a woman. I have a phantom penis. You can't see it, but it feels real enough. I swear I can even get erections. Again, it's not real, but it feels real, if that makes any sense.
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Re: Psychopathy and gender fluidity

Postby morbid3 » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:28 am

Great comments, Reaper, thanks. Love the Ruby Rose clip. While I was watching it I thought, humm that chick looks just like the new Batwoman. Head over to Wikipedia and lol, she *is* the new Batwoman.

About your penis - yes, sure, makes sense to me.
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Re: Psychopathy and gender fluidity

Postby Fool » Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:02 pm

gender isn't real..

have you ever wondered what it would be like to experience sex as a woman?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adz4Q-x7sxw
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Re: Psychopathy and gender fluidity

Postby EllaBlack » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:03 am

So don't ask people what their gender is, ask them what their sex is. :)
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Re: Psychopathy and gender fluidity

Postby ZeroZ » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:16 am

To take a page out of monks playbook, I think gender roles are just another way to separate and place people in smaller boxes. It’s become cool, I don’t recall many people struggling with their gender identity when I was in school.

There were a couple of them that were very feminine guys or masculine girls but I don’t believe it’s natural on the scale that we see now. People just need to feel special or different, nobody is, we are all just walking bags of meat wrapped skeletons. It doesn’t even matter in the grand scheme of things.

From the perspective of the few who really do struggle with this that just want to be accepted or left alone I get that part but that’s not what this is all about.

As far as related to psychopaths, maybe it would be more likely the few I’ve known were chameleons they changed to fit their environment. They might go tranny if it fit their needs to do so. I knew a chick who was married to one guy and she was getting love letters from his prison boyfriend a year after he got out of prison lol that had to be weird, but he wasn’t gay at all but in prison he went gay because it filled a need for him
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Re: Psychopathy and gender fluidity

Postby Sarandipity » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:36 am

ZeroZ wrote:To take a page out of monks playbook, I think gender roles are just another way to separate and place people in smaller boxes. It’s become cool, I don’t recall many people struggling with their gender identity when I was in school.

There were a couple of them that were very feminine guys or masculine girls but I don’t believe it’s natural on the scale that we see now. People just need to feel special or different, nobody is, we are all just walking bags of meat wrapped skeletons. It doesn’t even matter in the grand scheme of things.

From the perspective of the few who really do struggle with this that just want to be accepted or left alone I get that part but that’s not what this is all about.

As far as related to psychopaths, maybe it would be more likely the few I’ve known were chameleons they changed to fit their environment. They might go tranny if it fit their needs to do so. I knew a chick who was married to one guy and she was getting love letters from his prison boyfriend a year after he got out of prison lol that had to be weird, but he wasn’t gay at all but in prison he went gay because it filled a need for him


I like to see it as we're all jelly fish (central nervous system) with muscle and bone that makes us be able to walk around.

It's arguable that people come out more now as gender confused etc. But has it made people happier - I do not think so because they always seem down about it. If they couldn't think about it or have operations then they would have to accept their gender and get on with it.

With psychopaths I agree, if it suits a need then probably they will be fluid - but that goes for everything surely not just gender.
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Re: Psychopathy and gender fluidity

Postby Siegfried » Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:03 pm

The linguistic separation between male and female was invented out of necessity, in a culture of survival. Obviously, we aren't generally concerned about starving anymore, all separations in language are entirely about jerking off our egos or leveraging power against others. Which is basically the same thing.
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Re: Psychopathy and gender fluidity

Postby Manners73 » Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:48 pm

All I know is is that I feel like I'm a man in drag and I fcking love it.

It was the same when I was younger. I felt and looked like I was a boy wearing a school girl uniform.

I don't know if that's anything to do with gender fluid or if it's just @!@@@! up but it doesn't really matter as long as I'm quite comfortable with it.

I can't speak for anyone else though.

I'm more than a little bit narc as in I fancy myself quite a lot.
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Re: Psychopathy and gender fluidity

Postby justonemoreperson » Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:04 pm

It's odd that gender fluidity seems to be more acceptable in females than it is in males.

A girl can be a tomboy, but an effeminate boy is lumped in as a nancy-gay-boy, and it's seen as more 'normal' for a girl to be a lesbian than for a boy to be gay.

Many women admit to finding other women attractive, but a man doesn't unless he ticks the "gay" box.

Not quite sure why. Maybe it's because women are more feelings-based? No idea.

Or maybe I need to get my education from somewhere other than Pornhub.
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